Fit to Transform Podcast with Coach Nikias
Aug 21, 2026 · 52 min · 10 segments
Dr. Eric Helms is back on the podcast to discuss: - The current state of the scientific literature on body recomposition - Evidence-based strategies that make this possible at any stage of your…
Nikias TomasielloHostYeah, I conceptualize these aspects as more of a spectrum as opposed to an on and off switch.
Yeah, I think for the surplus deficit especially, it's really important to think about it in a very granular way.
And like we're essentially in a fed or unfed state, you know, prandial, postprandial, if we want to use kind of more scientific terms.
As far as your body is concerned, at some point, 20 minutes into eating and for the next couple hours, you're in a surplus.
Let's say your TDE is 2,600 calories, you're eating 2,400 calories, three 800-calorie meals.
You're absolutely going to be storing liver glycogen, storing muscle glycogen, and storing some amount of body fat when you're eating an 800-calorie meal if your total daily energy expenditure is 2,600. right now by the end of the day and after you slept for eight hours the total output is a 200 calorie deficit um and there's some time point a few hours after you ate where your body's going oh well i need to maintain blood glucose levels so we're going to tap into some of that glycogen um oh you're still moving and doing that i need not only that glycogen to to get tapped into and maintain these blood glucose levels we also got to liberate some fat tissue fat stores so it's this If you were to zoom all the way in and imagine like these cells as factories, you wouldn't know whether someone is in a modest deficit or surplus because you're just basically seeing forklifts coming in and out all the time.
Do you know that if that factory is actually in a net, you know, gaining of boxes of whatever's in there or loss of boxes, if we want to stay with that analogy.
And, you know, if you're really close to the cell and someone is in total a state of total starvation.
Or if someone is on a very, very high-calorie, high-density diet and they're sedentary, there's very few boxes going out and they're dodging all the boxes coming in.
When someone is at maintenance-esque or small surplus or small deficit-esque, you're actually coming in and out of those states every time you eat and every time enough time has passed when you don't eat.
So you can imagine then, okay, well, what does that mean? Well, there's other events that are localized and happening.
And now for up to maybe as long as 48 hours or longer, depending upon how well trained you are.
And if that happens to offset that, The amount of boxes going out and now they go, okay, well, let's take the box out of these other cells, fat cells.
Yeah, I conceptualize these aspects as more of a spectrum as opposed to an on and off switch.
Yeah, I think for the surplus deficit especially, it's really important to think about it in a very granular way.
And like we're essentially in a fed or unfed state, you know, prandial, postprandial, if we want to use kind of more scientific terms.
As far as your body is concerned, at some point, 20 minutes into eating and for the next couple hours, you're in a surplus.
Let's say your TDE is 2,600 calories, you're eating 2,400 calories, three 800-calorie meals.
You're absolutely going to be storing liver glycogen, storing muscle glycogen, and storing some amount of body fat when you're eating an 800-calorie meal if your total daily energy expenditure is 2,600. right now by the end of the day and after you slept for eight hours the total output is a 200 calorie deficit um and there's some time point a few hours after you ate where your body's going oh well i need to maintain blood glucose levels so we're going to tap into some of that glycogen um oh you're still moving and doing that i need not only that glycogen to to get tapped into and maintain these blood glucose levels we also got to liberate some fat tissue fat stores so it's this If you were to zoom all the way in and imagine like these cells as factories, you wouldn't know whether someone is in a modest deficit or surplus because you're just basically seeing forklifts coming in and out all the time.
Do you know that if that factory is actually in a net, you know, gaining of boxes of whatever's in there or loss of boxes, if we want to stay with that analogy.
And, you know, if you're really close to the cell and someone is in total a state of total starvation.
Or if someone is on a very, very high-calorie, high-density diet and they're sedentary, there's very few boxes going out and they're dodging all the boxes coming in.
When someone is at maintenance-esque or small surplus or small deficit-esque, you're actually coming in and out of those states every time you eat and every time enough time has passed when you don't eat.
So you can imagine then, okay, well, what does that mean? Well, there's other events that are localized and happening.
And now for up to maybe as long as 48 hours or longer, depending upon how well trained you are.
And if that happens to offset that, The amount of boxes going out and now they go, okay, well, let's take the box out of these other cells, fat cells.
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