Fishing Without Bait: A Full Impact Mindfulness Podcast
Jun 16, 2026 · 23 min · 11 segments
In Part 2 of our conversation with returning guests Eamon and Merlin, we continue exploring the intersection of mindfulness, acceptance, personal growth, and human connection. The discussion moves…
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Jim EllermeyerHost
Lyndon Johnson was asked once, uh, guys, why poor Republicans voted against their best interest.
Even as low as they thought they were, they were given somebody else to look down on, whether it was immigrants, whether it was Black people-
Yeah
Yeah.
Lyndon Johnson said, "If you can give people somebody to look down on, they'll give you all the money you have.
Yeah.
And it, well, and it's also, like, you know, that only thrives in isolation, right? That only thrives in sectoring yourself off from those other people, right? And noticing, like, like, again, going back to that human instinct thing, noticing that, like, you are, you know, sharing so much in common with people that may have been positioned as those enemies that have, you know...
I think, you know, uh, not in a perfect sense, obviously, but I do think, like, you know, Merlin's talked about his family upbringing a lot-
Mm-hmm
...
in that regard.
Um, I think, a- and they still have their beliefs, obviously.
Um, I do think that, like, the, the l- the perception helped a little bit in the sense of seeing me, in many ways, in their face, in person, in certain regards.
And, and, you know, credit to Merlin, Merlin pushed for that-
Yeah
... 100% when it came to that relationship, that it wasn't never gonna be, like, a separate sort of, like, undercover thing in many regards.
And it, it was a-
I mean, there was a time when we didn't speak.
Like, I just, I wouldn't have anything to do with him.
I said, "You are gonna respect my husband.
You are going to make sure that you refer to him as my husband, or we will not be there."
Lyndon Johnson was asked once, uh, guys, why poor Republicans voted against their best interest.
Even as low as they thought they were, they were given somebody else to look down on, whether it was immigrants, whether it was Black people-
Yeah
Yeah.
Lyndon Johnson said, "If you can give people somebody to look down on, they'll give you all the money you have.
Yeah.
And it, well, and it's also, like, you know, that only thrives in isolation, right? That only thrives in sectoring yourself off from those other people, right? And noticing, like, like, again, going back to that human instinct thing, noticing that, like, you are, you know, sharing so much in common with people that may have been positioned as those enemies that have, you know...
I think, you know, uh, not in a perfect sense, obviously, but I do think, like, you know, Merlin's talked about his family upbringing a lot-
Mm-hmm
...
in that regard.
Um, I think, a- and they still have their beliefs, obviously.
Um, I do think that, like, the, the l- the perception helped a little bit in the sense of seeing me, in many ways, in their face, in person, in certain regards.
And, and, you know, credit to Merlin, Merlin pushed for that-
Yeah
... 100% when it came to that relationship, that it wasn't never gonna be, like, a separate sort of, like, undercover thing in many regards.
And it, it was a-
I mean, there was a time when we didn't speak.
Like, I just, I wouldn't have anything to do with him.
I said, "You are gonna respect my husband.
You are going to make sure that you refer to him as my husband, or we will not be there."
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