Jul 15, 2026 · 1 hr 23 min · 10 segments
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Rafael FrumkinGuest
Let's, you know, Cat, let's start with, um, of course, your most recent book.

Um, you started as a YA writer, which I think is so interesting, and that was also the site of your, of your cancellation, which we'll get into later, but [laughs] you are-

Um, but you are, you know, um, also a, I think, like, fantastic, uh, writer of psychological thrillers.

Um, this, How to Survive in the Woods, I, uh, describe it as a gender-swapped alpine divorce horror thriller, which it's ranked number one on Amazon in that specific niche category, in, in case you all didn't know.

Uh, but as it is, this, this book is, is just still a really, really great read if you're wanting to, um, just sink your teeth into, um, a thriller with, I think, like, a very, very n- not just, like, the propulsion, gripping characters, a fascinating story, but also, like, a really solid thematic backbone that I think ties in with a lot of what you've been writing about, like self-sufficiency and this kind of, um, the heel turn feminism has made a way from, uh, resilience, I guess I could say.
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Let's, you know, Cat, let's start with, um, of course, your most recent book.

Um, you started as a YA writer, which I think is so interesting, and that was also the site of your, of your cancellation, which we'll get into later, but [laughs] you are-

Um, but you are, you know, um, also a, I think, like, fantastic, uh, writer of psychological thrillers.

Um, this, How to Survive in the Woods, I, uh, describe it as a gender-swapped alpine divorce horror thriller, which it's ranked number one on Amazon in that specific niche category, in, in case you all didn't know.

Uh, but as it is, this, this book is, is just still a really, really great read if you're wanting to, um, just sink your teeth into, um, a thriller with, I think, like, a very, very n- not just, like, the propulsion, gripping characters, a fascinating story, but also, like, a really solid thematic backbone that I think ties in with a lot of what you've been writing about, like self-sufficiency and this kind of, um, the heel turn feminism has made a way from, uh, resilience, I guess I could say.