Extraordinary Leadership PODCAST
Jul 30, 2026 · 44 min · 14 segments
In 350 years of technological disruption, steam, electricity, the internet, mobile, the number of times a government or industry has successfully stopped a technology from disrupting society is zero…
Brett KingGuest
Dagmara AsbreukHost
So let's talk about those patterns, because that's a curious question from my side, right? Because there has been a lot of shifts and that one is massive.

But also at the same time, you mentioned about there will be some patterns in how people adapt to change.

So what have you seen in the past that might serve as actually to embrace that change?

Well, there's one sort of overarching statistic that I use which sort of frames the conversation.

Because when you look at technological development over the last 300 years, and let's take the steam engine, electricity, combustion engine, the production line, compute, nuclear energy, space travel.

You know, most of our technological framing in terms of development, we say over the last 350 years.

And in the last 350 years, the number of times that a government or a industry has been successfully able to stop technology from disrupting society is zero.

So you have a lot of people, for example, talking about artificial intelligence right now.

And people were saying, we don't know if this is going to be a good thing for society, whether we should actually have this.

Should we have AI? And that is always the wrong question when it comes to technological change, because technological change is inevitable.

And so therefore, you need to start thinking more about how technology is going to impact society and putting guardrails in place and preparing.

And we're very bad at that as a species, right? So right now, for example, people are saying, well, I don't know whether we should have AI.

Should it be regulated? Is AGI real? Are machines ever going to be conscious? All of those things are the wrong questions, right? because the reality is the amount of money that's being invested into artificial intelligence today means that the capitalist market on a global basis is pushing us towards this inevitability.

So let's talk about those patterns, because that's a curious question from my side, right? Because there has been a lot of shifts and that one is massive.

But also at the same time, you mentioned about there will be some patterns in how people adapt to change.

So what have you seen in the past that might serve as actually to embrace that change?

Well, there's one sort of overarching statistic that I use which sort of frames the conversation.

Because when you look at technological development over the last 300 years, and let's take the steam engine, electricity, combustion engine, the production line, compute, nuclear energy, space travel.

You know, most of our technological framing in terms of development, we say over the last 350 years.

And in the last 350 years, the number of times that a government or a industry has been successfully able to stop technology from disrupting society is zero.

So you have a lot of people, for example, talking about artificial intelligence right now.

And people were saying, we don't know if this is going to be a good thing for society, whether we should actually have this.

Should we have AI? And that is always the wrong question when it comes to technological change, because technological change is inevitable.

And so therefore, you need to start thinking more about how technology is going to impact society and putting guardrails in place and preparing.

And we're very bad at that as a species, right? So right now, for example, people are saying, well, I don't know whether we should have AI.

Should it be regulated? Is AGI real? Are machines ever going to be conscious? All of those things are the wrong questions, right? because the reality is the amount of money that's being invested into artificial intelligence today means that the capitalist market on a global basis is pushing us towards this inevitability.
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