Sep 9, 2026 · 35 min · 10 segments
Ashley is back and this time we're talking about play, spontaneity, and joy through the HOCI lens of moderation. I grew up not knowing how to play. She grew up playing naturally but maybe using it for…
So, um, so I thought we could start off first by really talking about kind of what it means for each of us.
Mm-hmm.
Like, what, what does play really mean? Because I think what I've noticed, uh, with clients, with myself-
Mm-hmm
Mm-hmm.
It's not this checklist, like, "Okay, well, I'm gonna go and play Monopoly, and then I'm gonna go jump on the trampoline, and then I'm gonna go-
Mm-hmm
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm
Mm-hmm
[laughs]
Okay.
The word that comes up to me first as you're asking this, which I don't know if you're gonna guess this or not-
... is freedom.
To me-
So, um, so I thought we could start off first by really talking about kind of what it means for each of us.
Mm-hmm.
Like, what, what does play really mean? Because I think what I've noticed, uh, with clients, with myself-
Mm-hmm
Mm-hmm.
It's not this checklist, like, "Okay, well, I'm gonna go and play Monopoly, and then I'm gonna go jump on the trampoline, and then I'm gonna go-
Mm-hmm
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm
Mm-hmm
[laughs]
Okay.
The word that comes up to me first as you're asking this, which I don't know if you're gonna guess this or not-
... is freedom.
To me-
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