Sep 14, 2026 · 46 min · 11 segments
Degrees shouldn't be a divisive topic in EMS, but they are. It's a also a topic that tends to be fatiguing, but there's a saying "When you're tired of saying it, people are just starting to hear it"…
David PfeiferGuestJimmy AppleHost
So, you know, the, the other, the other criticisms I think we, we all see online, you always see those comments along the lines of, "Well, how does us taking English literature make me better at starting IVs?" Right? Or-

Okay, so, you know, for one thing it's like, hey, starting IVs is not what being a paramedic is about.

That's not what makes a paramedic, right? So that just annoys me whenever people use those examples.

I'd be a little bit more, uh, uh, open to that kind of argument if it was like, you know, "How's taking English literature make me better at RSI?" Right? [chuckles] Or, or something where there's actually, like, a real, real potential for some, you know, real bad outcomes if you really screw that up.

You know, o- o- one, o- one answer to that question actually is, like, well, right, the English literature class and the IV or the intubation or whatever, they don't really have a close relationship.

But certainly taking English classes is probably gonna make you a better writer, better charterer, you know, m- m- that is maybe gonna increase, you know, reimbursement rates to your company, and the financial picture improves, and might make you a better communicator.

These are all good things, and again, that's why higher education tends to be good for people and good for communities.

the, my, my, uh, belief in the power of the degree is because all those things I just mentioned in, in the example of English literature, those are the things that start to transform the profession.

Not necessarily, you know, transformative, I wanna asterisk that, not necessarily transformative to cot side or bedside patient care, although it could be.

It really just depends on how you want to apply what you've learned, right, in that educational journey.

But, but, you know, um, it's, you know, let's, let's kind of z- zoom out from that one-to-one patient care interaction and, and just think about all of the things that a profession, being a profession and being successful in achieving their professional goals, think about everything that that requires, right? So, so paramedicine, EMS, whatever we wanna call it, there's so much more to it than that next call or that last call.

There's the ability to advocate for ourselves or not, the ability to figure out how to translate what we do into terms that are gonna be understood by legislators and the public or not, the ability to You know, analyze and think critically about the systems in which we're operating and, and whether or not they're working, and what the impact of different policy choices is gonna be or not, right? And so, you know, I don't think it's coincidental, and I would argue that there's a lot of literature that really proves it's not coincidental, that these, you know, other healthcare professions that have long since embraced a degree standard for at least some level of practice are enjoying more success as a profession.

So, you know, the, the other, the other criticisms I think we, we all see online, you always see those comments along the lines of, "Well, how does us taking English literature make me better at starting IVs?" Right? Or-

Okay, so, you know, for one thing it's like, hey, starting IVs is not what being a paramedic is about.

That's not what makes a paramedic, right? So that just annoys me whenever people use those examples.

I'd be a little bit more, uh, uh, open to that kind of argument if it was like, you know, "How's taking English literature make me better at RSI?" Right? [chuckles] Or, or something where there's actually, like, a real, real potential for some, you know, real bad outcomes if you really screw that up.

You know, o- o- one, o- one answer to that question actually is, like, well, right, the English literature class and the IV or the intubation or whatever, they don't really have a close relationship.

But certainly taking English classes is probably gonna make you a better writer, better charterer, you know, m- m- that is maybe gonna increase, you know, reimbursement rates to your company, and the financial picture improves, and might make you a better communicator.

These are all good things, and again, that's why higher education tends to be good for people and good for communities.

the, my, my, uh, belief in the power of the degree is because all those things I just mentioned in, in the example of English literature, those are the things that start to transform the profession.

Not necessarily, you know, transformative, I wanna asterisk that, not necessarily transformative to cot side or bedside patient care, although it could be.

It really just depends on how you want to apply what you've learned, right, in that educational journey.

But, but, you know, um, it's, you know, let's, let's kind of z- zoom out from that one-to-one patient care interaction and, and just think about all of the things that a profession, being a profession and being successful in achieving their professional goals, think about everything that that requires, right? So, so paramedicine, EMS, whatever we wanna call it, there's so much more to it than that next call or that last call.

There's the ability to advocate for ourselves or not, the ability to figure out how to translate what we do into terms that are gonna be understood by legislators and the public or not, the ability to You know, analyze and think critically about the systems in which we're operating and, and whether or not they're working, and what the impact of different policy choices is gonna be or not, right? And so, you know, I don't think it's coincidental, and I would argue that there's a lot of literature that really proves it's not coincidental, that these, you know, other healthcare professions that have long since embraced a degree standard for at least some level of practice are enjoying more success as a profession.
The rest of this transcript — segmented and speaker-labeled, so you land on the exact moment something was said
Search every transcript — by keyword, by phrase, or by meaning, across every show Radar indexes
Trends — what is surging across podcasts, measured against its own baseline
Alerts — when a name you follow appears in a newly indexed episode
No account is needed to search Radar.