Sep 11, 2026 · 31 min · 10 segments
We interrupt your Friday off from our podcast to bring you a special episode about Wales’s PISA results! There’s been plenty of commentary about this already, and we wanted to contribute something…
Tom ReesHost
Emma DoherHostThere's been an awful lot of churn and change, an awful lot of reform on every part of our system.
In that noise, literacy and numeracy did not receive the continuous focus that it has needed and which other juris- jurisdictions have been able to maintain to get them arguably to a better place with PISA.
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That clip that you just heard is Anna Brekken, the relatively newly installed cabinet minister for education in the Welsh language in the relatively new Plaid Cymru government responding to the PISA results that have just come out this week in an interview with Rhys Williams from ITV News.
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