Jun 30, 2026 · 54 min · 14 segments
In episode two, we talk to Drew Wilkinson, former Microsoft employee who turned a two-person sustainability group into a ten-thousand-person climate movement inside the company. We get into why…
Mark O'BrienHost
Sarah HarrisonHost
What started out as a two person group, Drew and his colleagues turned into a 10,000 person climate movement inside of Microsoft.
During this episode, we get into why sustainability dies the second it becomes a checkbox at the end of a project, and where the real creative decisions happen.
Drew breaks down his buffet approach to getting the whole company on board, not just the one person who cares.
We also discuss why that person, the designer who feels like the only one, is really never alone, and why courage might be the best trait we need in changing the culture within our workplaces.
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What started out as a two person group, Drew and his colleagues turned into a 10,000 person climate movement inside of Microsoft.
During this episode, we get into why sustainability dies the second it becomes a checkbox at the end of a project, and where the real creative decisions happen.
Drew breaks down his buffet approach to getting the whole company on board, not just the one person who cares.
We also discuss why that person, the designer who feels like the only one, is really never alone, and why courage might be the best trait we need in changing the culture within our workplaces.
