with Esther Loopstra (author, illustrator)

But but yeah.

And my dad was like, you know, I don't care.

She's my daughter.

So, you know, I mean, secretly they definitely wanted me to come back into the fold.

And, you know, there were years where I just did not talk to my dad.

At all, I needed that for my own healing.

But they've always been there for me, which is a beautiful thing.

And there's a lot of good things that I got from

both of them.

Yes.

That's true.

I mean, my parents did a lot of things that weren't good, but they did a lot of things that were.

And I feel it's important to...

Yeah.

I think we've had this conversation before.

It was like, once you get far enough away, then you can appreciate

things.

Once you're safe.

You can be like, I got this good thing for my parents, you know? Yeah.

So where'd you go from there? You were so mad living at home.

Well, I ended up moving in with my boyfriend after just like a...

Oh, how'd that go over with everybody? It was hilarious.

No, that was...

I just

think I just didn't care anymore, you know? Good.