Keeping Your Parents Safe from Scams with Patrick Coughlin

Yeah, so I've spent my career in national security and doing work for the government and then pivoted to enterprise security, doing work for large corporations, building products for Starbucks or IBM to protect them from sophisticated cybersecurity threats.

And what you see at those levels is it's a cat and mouse game.

Yeah.

Where you're constantly trying to keep up as the bad guys sort of maneuver and pivot and come up with new tactics and new technology.

As defenders, you're doing the same.

And that's the nature of cybersecurity is a cat and mouse game.

I'm not sure which one we are in this scenario.

I think we're probably the mouse.

I think so.

I think so.

But the challenge with consumers today is so much money, innovation, investment has gone into protecting governments and the enterprise over the last couple decades that the consumer has been left behind.

Right.

Right.

And so if we're the mouse, the mouse is getting taken to the cleaners.

And we got a lot more to do for the consumer to to to sort of even out the playing field and to make that attacker defender dynamic more in the defender's favor.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Well, and it's it's also and it's everywhere you turn.

I mean, it's even on Facebook.

You know, it's like Brad Pitt is not messaging you.

Right.

And he doesn't need your money, like for real.

It's all of that.