Sep 9, 2026 · 49 min · 12 segments
What does ethical surrogacy actually look like, especially when something goes wrong? Recent conversations surrounding the Baby Rumi case have raised difficult questions about surrogacy: Who protects…
Whitney HallHost
Crystal ChengGuest
So going, I mean, obviously this case just brings up a lot of questions, and you kind of have already brought it up, but what does ethical surrogacy actually mean? So yes, Katie, you and I have both been surrogates.
How has just your own experience being a surrogate shaped the way that you do think about matching and just the responsibility of, that an agency has to both parties?
Being a surrogate, like I learned this is a deeply personal decision, not only for a surrogate, but for a family.
there is a lot of vulnerability in choosing to Put your hope and your trust and your faith in another human.
And I knew I was carrying someone else's deeply wanted child, and I never took that lightly as a surrogate.
So I was matched with a perfect family, um, uh, that I call my perfect family.
And trust was built over time because we did have some hard things that we did have to navigate, and we leaned on the relationship that we had built through that journey in order to navigate that.
I often say, you know, a good quality match or a good agency, that means they're comfortable disappointing people.
So going, I mean, obviously this case just brings up a lot of questions, and you kind of have already brought it up, but what does ethical surrogacy actually mean? So yes, Katie, you and I have both been surrogates.
How has just your own experience being a surrogate shaped the way that you do think about matching and just the responsibility of, that an agency has to both parties?
Being a surrogate, like I learned this is a deeply personal decision, not only for a surrogate, but for a family.
there is a lot of vulnerability in choosing to Put your hope and your trust and your faith in another human.
And I knew I was carrying someone else's deeply wanted child, and I never took that lightly as a surrogate.
So I was matched with a perfect family, um, uh, that I call my perfect family.
And trust was built over time because we did have some hard things that we did have to navigate, and we leaned on the relationship that we had built through that journey in order to navigate that.
I often say, you know, a good quality match or a good agency, that means they're comfortable disappointing people.
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