Jul 16, 2026 · 1 hr 21 min · 13 segments
WE ARE SO BACK! New season... new co-host... Kalaija Mallery <3 We're talkin' Sam's latest exhibition "To Avoid Drowning, Become the Ocean," opera, Kenny G, gold, high lines vs. low lines, drum kits…
Marina MayHostKaliya MalloryHostAndyPanelistNickHostdon't know not to get too, um, too metaphysical here but in a way like the way that sam just described water is like how a lot of religions describe god so oh yeah it's like you know it's
i think i also think that like um it is it is interesting to see and i hope that through these shows The question about the relationship to the ocean and how folks in a, quote, landlocked state that does have water and rivers.
I was reading and Sam, I think it was one of your artist statements or something posted about you somewhere on the internet where you describe your practice as a confluence.
And I was so curious if you were thinking about that at all while you were here, because the confluence is like for me, the most spiritual point of where we are in the region.
I had some great extracurricular activities while I was in town, but that wasn't one of them.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's always present in my life, just, like, the intersection of things.
I mean, you know, like, St. Louis was a conversion for me, you know, of a confluence for me, sorry, of, like, being in a new place that I've never been, and that brought up new things, and that contact has generated new things that I've been really excited about.
You know, that reminds me of another kind of, like... uh ecosystem mechanism that's been really important to me in terms of thinking and that's uh like riparian habitat which is just a description of like ecosystems that exist uh where land meets water um most specifically like the more transient ones that like might be seasonal uh or might be dependent on rain or whatever And, you know, in ecology, what do they call it? Edge? I think they call it the edge effect.
And it's a description of how when one ecosystem meets another ecosystem, that point in the middle, that convergence between the two, will be the most ecologically generative and evolutionarily generative in terms of biodiversity, of stimulating evolution.
don't know not to get too, um, too metaphysical here but in a way like the way that sam just described water is like how a lot of religions describe god so oh yeah it's like you know it's
i think i also think that like um it is it is interesting to see and i hope that through these shows The question about the relationship to the ocean and how folks in a, quote, landlocked state that does have water and rivers.
I was reading and Sam, I think it was one of your artist statements or something posted about you somewhere on the internet where you describe your practice as a confluence.
And I was so curious if you were thinking about that at all while you were here, because the confluence is like for me, the most spiritual point of where we are in the region.
I had some great extracurricular activities while I was in town, but that wasn't one of them.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's always present in my life, just, like, the intersection of things.
I mean, you know, like, St. Louis was a conversion for me, you know, of a confluence for me, sorry, of, like, being in a new place that I've never been, and that brought up new things, and that contact has generated new things that I've been really excited about.
You know, that reminds me of another kind of, like... uh ecosystem mechanism that's been really important to me in terms of thinking and that's uh like riparian habitat which is just a description of like ecosystems that exist uh where land meets water um most specifically like the more transient ones that like might be seasonal uh or might be dependent on rain or whatever And, you know, in ecology, what do they call it? Edge? I think they call it the edge effect.
And it's a description of how when one ecosystem meets another ecosystem, that point in the middle, that convergence between the two, will be the most ecologically generative and evolutionarily generative in terms of biodiversity, of stimulating evolution.
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