Jun 9, 2026 · 1 hr 5 min · 10 segments
“We have a solution that is already here. It’s already doing the work that needs to be done. And all we have to do is let them complete the job.” **Paul Koberstein** **He has spent forty years…
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Paul KobersteinGuest
Jackie De BurcaHost
okay i mean yeah i totally get that and that's that's a great example isn't it let's jump into um a little bit of the political side paul you've you've actually described the current direction of u.s forest policy as a dismantling of conservation progress how extreme is the trump administration's forest agenda compared to previous eras
In the United States, this debate has become even more urgent under Donald Trump's second administration.
In March 2025, President Trump signed an executive order titled, Immediate Expansion of American Timber Production, calling for an expansion of American timber production.
The following month, the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced an emergency situation determination covering 112,646,000 acres of National Forest System land.
The USDA said this followed Trump's order to expand American timber production by 25 percent and would empower the Forest Service to expedite work on the ground.
Then, in June 2025, the USDA announced it was rescinding the 2001 roadless rule.
That rule had restricted road construction, reconstruction, and timber harvest across large areas of the national forest system.
The USDA said rescinding it would remove prohibitions on road construction and timber harvest on nearly 59 million acres of national forest land.
This matters because roads are often the first step in opening intact forest landscapes to industrial activity.
And that is exactly the kind of policy direction Paul Koberstein is warning about in this conversation.
A shift from forest protection towards extraction, justified in the language of fire prevention, domestic production, and deregulation.
The forest policy sits inside a much wider climate context.
On his first day back in office, Trump ordered the United States to withdraw from the Paris Agreement again.
In February 2026, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency finalized the rescission of the 2009 greenhouse gas endangerment finding, the legal foundation that had allowed the EPA to regulate greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles under the Clean Air Act.
And all of this is happening as the climate signal becomes harder to ignore.
NASA confirmed that 2024 was the hottest year on record, with global temperatures about 1.47 degrees Celsius warmer than the mid-19th century average.
So when we talk about timber, forests, and construction, we are not talking about a niche material choice.
We are talking about one of the defining tensions of the climate era, whether forests are treated as living climate systems or as raw material waiting to be extracted.
I would say it's not just

They have dismantled so much of a century of progress on the conservation of our forests that is unfolding at an extremely rapid rate.

For example, the Secretary of Agriculture, who is in charge of the forests, came out with a plan last year to thin over 100 million acres of these older forests.

And that's in addition to another plan that she came out with to increase the logging effort by 25%.

The other component is that there's a large expanse of roadless areas or areas that have not been logged, not been roaded for log trucks.

They've been protected for, we're talking about 15 million acres or so, 15 million acres.

okay i mean yeah i totally get that and that's that's a great example isn't it let's jump into um a little bit of the political side paul you've you've actually described the current direction of u.s forest policy as a dismantling of conservation progress how extreme is the trump administration's forest agenda compared to previous eras
In the United States, this debate has become even more urgent under Donald Trump's second administration.
In March 2025, President Trump signed an executive order titled, Immediate Expansion of American Timber Production, calling for an expansion of American timber production.
The following month, the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced an emergency situation determination covering 112,646,000 acres of National Forest System land.
The USDA said this followed Trump's order to expand American timber production by 25 percent and would empower the Forest Service to expedite work on the ground.
Then, in June 2025, the USDA announced it was rescinding the 2001 roadless rule.
That rule had restricted road construction, reconstruction, and timber harvest across large areas of the national forest system.
The USDA said rescinding it would remove prohibitions on road construction and timber harvest on nearly 59 million acres of national forest land.
This matters because roads are often the first step in opening intact forest landscapes to industrial activity.
And that is exactly the kind of policy direction Paul Koberstein is warning about in this conversation.
A shift from forest protection towards extraction, justified in the language of fire prevention, domestic production, and deregulation.
The forest policy sits inside a much wider climate context.
On his first day back in office, Trump ordered the United States to withdraw from the Paris Agreement again.
In February 2026, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency finalized the rescission of the 2009 greenhouse gas endangerment finding, the legal foundation that had allowed the EPA to regulate greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles under the Clean Air Act.
And all of this is happening as the climate signal becomes harder to ignore.
NASA confirmed that 2024 was the hottest year on record, with global temperatures about 1.47 degrees Celsius warmer than the mid-19th century average.
So when we talk about timber, forests, and construction, we are not talking about a niche material choice.
We are talking about one of the defining tensions of the climate era, whether forests are treated as living climate systems or as raw material waiting to be extracted.
I would say it's not just

They have dismantled so much of a century of progress on the conservation of our forests that is unfolding at an extremely rapid rate.

For example, the Secretary of Agriculture, who is in charge of the forests, came out with a plan last year to thin over 100 million acres of these older forests.

And that's in addition to another plan that she came out with to increase the logging effort by 25%.

The other component is that there's a large expanse of roadless areas or areas that have not been logged, not been roaded for log trucks.

They've been protected for, we're talking about 15 million acres or so, 15 million acres.
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