Complex Systems with Patrick McKenzie (patio11)
Jul 16, 2026 · 1 hr 36 min · 13 segments
Patrick McKenzie is joined by returning guest Clara Collier, editor-in-chief of Asterisk Magazine, to discuss how working writers and reporters actually use LLMs. Patrick walks through the machinery…
Clara CollierGuest
So I've talked to people I know who are somewhat more open to LLM use in various contexts who have said, like, literally, like, "I live a double life.
The writing process is the thinking process, and I think we now have empirical demonstration of this because you make a machine that does writing and thinking just pops out as a side effect.

The version of my writing that an LLM could produce is always going to be missing something that I could add.
I reviewed hundreds of publicly published documents in the course of a approximately two-week reporting cycle.
... uh, without any search cost at all, I don't think I could have possibly, like, physically read through all of the documents in that timeline but for the use of LLMs.
My name is Patrick McKenzie, better known as patio11 on the internets, and I'm here with Claire Collier, who's the editor in chief of Asterisk.
We're recording this at Light Haven shortly before the Manifest, uh, conference kicks off, and I think we did one at Manifest last year as well.
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So I've talked to people I know who are somewhat more open to LLM use in various contexts who have said, like, literally, like, "I live a double life.
The writing process is the thinking process, and I think we now have empirical demonstration of this because you make a machine that does writing and thinking just pops out as a side effect.

The version of my writing that an LLM could produce is always going to be missing something that I could add.
I reviewed hundreds of publicly published documents in the course of a approximately two-week reporting cycle.
... uh, without any search cost at all, I don't think I could have possibly, like, physically read through all of the documents in that timeline but for the use of LLMs.
My name is Patrick McKenzie, better known as patio11 on the internets, and I'm here with Claire Collier, who's the editor in chief of Asterisk.
We're recording this at Light Haven shortly before the Manifest, uh, conference kicks off, and I think we did one at Manifest last year as well.