Jul 13, 2026 · 32 min · 11 segments
Compensation has never been more visible, more complex, or more connected to business outcomes. Yet many HR and compensation teams are expected to manage pay transparency, market movement, budget…
Jenny WallingGuestRuthHost
Kim O'GradyGuestBut we also felt very disconnected because maybe because of the secrecy, I don't know, but felt very disconnected at times from my other colleagues in HR and also from the business.
And I was kind of in a box.
working away, looking at all the numbers, requiring very specialised knowledge.
And I think another reason maybe why sometimes people feel isolated is because compensation teams are often very small within an organisation as well.
I think there's some data from our compensation best practice report that for organisations up to 5,000 people, I think was the benchmark in our survey, normally two comp people is the average, which doesn't sound like a very lot.
So why do many compensation professionals feel like they're carrying these responsibilities alone? Why do they feel disconnected and why do they feel isolated? Jenny, do you want to start us off here? What makes it difficult for comp teams today? Why do you think they feel so isolated?

You know, I think so much has changed over the last even just the eight and a half years I've been here at PayScale.

And I think kind of when I was thinking about, you know, what are maybe those trends that have come up making it more difficult or having the teams feeling more isolated is, you know, I think first priority.


And that added complexity of that same role in Austin, Texas, is going to cost something very different from San Francisco to even Raleigh, North Carolina.

And so a lot of clients, I think they're starting to ask, how do I build a compensation strategy that's competitive in multiple markets? How do I attract the talent that I need without lowering my budget? And I think too, another piece of it, and as you mentioned of kind of previously compensation was so much more private, but we've had this big shift with transparency and what employees expect to know and hear and understand.

And employees now more than ever, I think, want to understand not just what they're paid, but why they're paid that way and then what their growth opportunities look like.

And as we've seen, you know, kind of over the years, 10 years dropped and people aren't staying necessarily for decades at an organization.

And so if an employee doesn't understand their compensation or necessarily see a path to growth, you know, they're going to start looking elsewhere.

transparency legislation and the fact that salary information is available everywhere online.

And there's so much information that I think, too, it's oftentimes there's so much information out there, but not necessarily maybe the context provided for their specific organization and how they handle compensation.

But because of that, though, I think it's also made comp become impossible to ignore.

It is really directly connected to whether you can attract and retain your best people.

And so I think when we talk about that kind of compensation island problem, it's not just these teams hiring.
But we also felt very disconnected because maybe because of the secrecy, I don't know, but felt very disconnected at times from my other colleagues in HR and also from the business.
And I was kind of in a box.
working away, looking at all the numbers, requiring very specialised knowledge.
And I think another reason maybe why sometimes people feel isolated is because compensation teams are often very small within an organisation as well.
I think there's some data from our compensation best practice report that for organisations up to 5,000 people, I think was the benchmark in our survey, normally two comp people is the average, which doesn't sound like a very lot.
So why do many compensation professionals feel like they're carrying these responsibilities alone? Why do they feel disconnected and why do they feel isolated? Jenny, do you want to start us off here? What makes it difficult for comp teams today? Why do you think they feel so isolated?

You know, I think so much has changed over the last even just the eight and a half years I've been here at PayScale.

And I think kind of when I was thinking about, you know, what are maybe those trends that have come up making it more difficult or having the teams feeling more isolated is, you know, I think first priority.


And that added complexity of that same role in Austin, Texas, is going to cost something very different from San Francisco to even Raleigh, North Carolina.

And so a lot of clients, I think they're starting to ask, how do I build a compensation strategy that's competitive in multiple markets? How do I attract the talent that I need without lowering my budget? And I think too, another piece of it, and as you mentioned of kind of previously compensation was so much more private, but we've had this big shift with transparency and what employees expect to know and hear and understand.

And employees now more than ever, I think, want to understand not just what they're paid, but why they're paid that way and then what their growth opportunities look like.

And as we've seen, you know, kind of over the years, 10 years dropped and people aren't staying necessarily for decades at an organization.

And so if an employee doesn't understand their compensation or necessarily see a path to growth, you know, they're going to start looking elsewhere.

transparency legislation and the fact that salary information is available everywhere online.

And there's so much information that I think, too, it's oftentimes there's so much information out there, but not necessarily maybe the context provided for their specific organization and how they handle compensation.

But because of that, though, I think it's also made comp become impossible to ignore.

It is really directly connected to whether you can attract and retain your best people.

And so I think when we talk about that kind of compensation island problem, it's not just these teams hiring.
The rest of this transcript — segmented and speaker-labeled, so you land on the exact moment something was said
Search every transcript — by keyword, by phrase, or by meaning, across every show Radar indexes
Trends — what is surging across podcasts, measured against its own baseline
Alerts — when a name you follow appears in a newly indexed episode
No account is needed to search Radar.