Sep 22, 2026 · 33 min · 10 segments
Why do good church staff quit? It's usually not the paycheck. In this episode of the Church Staff Book Club, Jonathan Malm and Jason Young unpack Chapter 9 of their book Likable Leader and get honest…
We're on to chapter nine of the book we're going through called Likeable Leader.
But if there's nobody following us, if people aren't actually like on board with what we're doing, are we really accomplishing anything? So how do you become the leader that people are just willing to risk things for? They're willing to recruit people to your team for you.
So Obviously, the obvious assumption is that we invest in our team with training materials, software, conferences, a little pat on the back every now and then to say that they're doing a great job.
But really, in this chapter, we talk more about investing in them as an individual outside of your organization.
Who are they as a whole person? How, especially in the church where we're pastoring, yes, there are their employees, but we're also still their pastor.
Like there's this weird dynamic where like the same person who signs your paycheck is also the person you're supposed to be completely transparent with.
And like, who's supposed to like shepherd your, your spirit, right? Like it's a weird dynamic.
And part of that is caring for and investing in who they are outside of the nine to five relationship.
So how do we invest in people? So Jason, what do you feel like is like, where do you feel like, I guess, churches specifically, leaders in the church miss this the most? What have you seen?
We're on to chapter nine of the book we're going through called Likeable Leader.
But if there's nobody following us, if people aren't actually like on board with what we're doing, are we really accomplishing anything? So how do you become the leader that people are just willing to risk things for? They're willing to recruit people to your team for you.
So Obviously, the obvious assumption is that we invest in our team with training materials, software, conferences, a little pat on the back every now and then to say that they're doing a great job.
But really, in this chapter, we talk more about investing in them as an individual outside of your organization.
Who are they as a whole person? How, especially in the church where we're pastoring, yes, there are their employees, but we're also still their pastor.
Like there's this weird dynamic where like the same person who signs your paycheck is also the person you're supposed to be completely transparent with.
And like, who's supposed to like shepherd your, your spirit, right? Like it's a weird dynamic.
And part of that is caring for and investing in who they are outside of the nine to five relationship.
So how do we invest in people? So Jason, what do you feel like is like, where do you feel like, I guess, churches specifically, leaders in the church miss this the most? What have you seen?
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