Jul 6, 2026 · 51 min · 10 segments
In this episode of the Church Planter Podcast, Peyton Jones is joined by Andrea Jones and Pamela Nelson for a conversation on ministry burnout, emotional health, and the inner life of a leader…
Pamela NelsonGuest
Peyton JonesHostAndrea JonesHost
Pete MitchellHost
I said at the beginning, burnout, because I think so many people are spread so thin, but there really is a foundation.
And even though planners, we train them in theology, we assess them in all kinds of different areas.
And I think at this stage, the church is beginning to get it after so many pastors tapping or the record number we had quitting during COVID or people that sabotage your own marriage or turn to addictive behaviors, pornography, alcohol.
Pot is a new thing, self-medicating, people dealing with their anxiety, workaholism.
So why do you think that emotional health is more of a foundation than pastors and planners might have realized before?
It has to be that we are grounded first in the love of God for us, which connects to our heart.
As we were talking before this, Peyton, you said they're signals, they're signposts, they're like the check engine light in our car.
We can track throughout scripture that Jesus had 34 emotions and he did not sin.
And in this space where a lot of what success looks like is measuring growth and what looks really good on the outside, what we try to hide then or what we try to perform for or have a persona for is if there's any sort of lack on the inside.
Or I want to say specifically grief that we're experiencing because something that we hoped for or had an expectation for didn't come true, especially in church planting.
I said at the beginning, burnout, because I think so many people are spread so thin, but there really is a foundation.
And even though planners, we train them in theology, we assess them in all kinds of different areas.
And I think at this stage, the church is beginning to get it after so many pastors tapping or the record number we had quitting during COVID or people that sabotage your own marriage or turn to addictive behaviors, pornography, alcohol.
Pot is a new thing, self-medicating, people dealing with their anxiety, workaholism.
So why do you think that emotional health is more of a foundation than pastors and planners might have realized before?
It has to be that we are grounded first in the love of God for us, which connects to our heart.
As we were talking before this, Peyton, you said they're signals, they're signposts, they're like the check engine light in our car.
We can track throughout scripture that Jesus had 34 emotions and he did not sin.
And in this space where a lot of what success looks like is measuring growth and what looks really good on the outside, what we try to hide then or what we try to perform for or have a persona for is if there's any sort of lack on the inside.
Or I want to say specifically grief that we're experiencing because something that we hoped for or had an expectation for didn't come true, especially in church planting.
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