Sep 30, 2026 · 33 min · 10 segments
We spend a lot of time thinking about the past or worrying about the future. What gets lost in between? For Dr. Evan Fishman, that question became more personal after he was laid off from Facebook…
Evan FishmanGuestMichael KayHostI think it's so interesting, you know, that for many people, and I'll put myself squarely in that camp of, you know, growing up with that feeling of, well, if I achieve this, then I will be you know, satisfied or I will be successful.
Is this part of our DNA? Is this part of, you know, wiring? Is this the result of the stories we tell ourselves? Is this just something we heard growing up? Where does this all come from, Evan? You

what do we identify as? Who do we identify as? So in ancient traditions, they talk about the separate self.

And these beliefs and the roles that we play, our circumstances, our successes and our failures, we think that this is entirely who we are.

And the problem, the dysfunction that comes from that is trying to find fulfillment in being that person, because that's not the function of that identity.

We need that logic, that striving to achieve things in this world, but it has limits to what it can do.

It can't really help us find peace in the present moment because that's not what it was designed to do.

And then when that left, I was faced with the question, who am I now? So when we look to the outside world to tell us who we are, we're never going to be able to really hold on to that because everything in that sort of realm is temporary.

So I invite my clients to look at what's more permanent, what's more stable about them.
I think it's so interesting, you know, that for many people, and I'll put myself squarely in that camp of, you know, growing up with that feeling of, well, if I achieve this, then I will be you know, satisfied or I will be successful.
Is this part of our DNA? Is this part of, you know, wiring? Is this the result of the stories we tell ourselves? Is this just something we heard growing up? Where does this all come from, Evan? You

what do we identify as? Who do we identify as? So in ancient traditions, they talk about the separate self.

And these beliefs and the roles that we play, our circumstances, our successes and our failures, we think that this is entirely who we are.

And the problem, the dysfunction that comes from that is trying to find fulfillment in being that person, because that's not the function of that identity.

We need that logic, that striving to achieve things in this world, but it has limits to what it can do.

It can't really help us find peace in the present moment because that's not what it was designed to do.

And then when that left, I was faced with the question, who am I now? So when we look to the outside world to tell us who we are, we're never going to be able to really hold on to that because everything in that sort of realm is temporary.

So I invite my clients to look at what's more permanent, what's more stable about them.
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