The Overhead Myth Is Undermining Impact with Jamie Allison feat. Rusty Stahl

What have you been up to?

You know, I'm glad you mentioned LinkedIn because there's something I want to talk about.

I just recently had a post on LinkedIn that got quite a bit of comments and reposts.

I posted an article that the Chronicle of Philanthropy just published about basically not balancing the work of the community and community impact on the backs of nonprofit workers through low salaries.

And so I reposted the article and just said, hey, you know, no matter how many times I look at this issue, like the math just does not work for me.

Like this calculus doesn't work.

Like why would we under invest in the people who are showing up for us now? every day sometimes they're showing up in partnership with government sometimes they are showing up for us every day in response to government overreach sometimes they're showing up for us in places where the government can't or won't show up for us and the response i got to my post was just incredible.

And so many nonprofit workers commented on this post to say that, you know, philanthropy has some responsibilities here because of the size and the duration of our grants and the restricted nature of the grants.

And the sector not really understanding the calculus of what it means to run a nonprofit enterprise.

And so I'm really excited that we have Rusty on the show today.

And particularly right now, as you know, I care a lot about the discourse coming from the federal government that's framing nonprofits as potentially undermining the nation by undermining security, undermining national interest, calling nonprofits wasteful.

and creating an atmosphere that is skeptical and derogatory of the very sector and the very people who are here for us every day, for after school and childcare and education and hospitals, and creating the social and community hubs that we all benefit from.

These are literally the institutions that actually make America great.

Seeing them disparaged is just so painful to me.

It is painful.

It has been since day one of term two of the Trumpy.

It's just been this thing.

And they

won't let up.

They just won't let up.

It is the age of retribution.

There are a lot of nonprofits out there that I fundamentally disagree with that were kind of singled out for being either hate groups or otherwise.

And this really lit up the right.

We're seeing people being dragged into courts and having to explain what's going on at nonprofits.

And when they get in front of the Senate or they get in front of the House...