Jun 14, 2026 · 1 hr 13 min · 13 segments
As the psychedelic renaissance surges, wild sources are collapsing under demand—peyote takes decades to grow, safrole extraction is destroying Southeast Asian forests, and Sonoran Desert toads are…
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Jeffrey GerstGuest
Dennis McKennaHost
My virtual background doesn't let me show it properly, but I urge people, it's very well-written.

Uh, so I'm certainly a layman in that area, but I am, I am trained in science, but you don't have to be a scientist to understand this and the, and the main concept.

So, um, to start out, you, one of my questions, one of the easier questions possibly I have for you is you referred to your work with, uh, mRNA and, and transfer, trans- trafficking in mRNA and, uh, inducing different cells to acquire, uh, characteristics or make proteins by engineering their mRNA.

My virtual background doesn't let me show it properly, but I urge people, it's very well-written.

Uh, so I'm certainly a layman in that area, but I am, I am trained in science, but you don't have to be a scientist to understand this and the, and the main concept.

So, um, to start out, you, one of my questions, one of the easier questions possibly I have for you is you referred to your work with, uh, mRNA and, and transfer, trans- trafficking in mRNA and, uh, inducing different cells to acquire, uh, characteristics or make proteins by engineering their mRNA.
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