Aug 12, 2026 · 57 min · 12 segments
Kelley sits down with Sonya Renee Taylor, author of The Body Is Not an Apology: The Power of Radical Self-Love, for a conversation Kelley calls essential reading for every Black woman. They trace the…
That, and that so perfectly aligns with what came to me when I was talking about the language of opting out of struggle, right?
Like, what if there was something different? What if there was another way than just buying into this myth? And to that point, you give us these three kind of steps to opt out.
I'm just gonna call it opt out of shame, and you talk about three ways of doing that.
In the experience of Blackness, there's so much of what we do and struggle that is about getting understood.
And then while we're fighting to be understood, we then deny other people the understanding, right?
'Cause then we're in fights with, you know, we're on Twitter beefs with people.
... being like, "I'ma tell you today." I, but really, it's like, "I want you to see me and understand, and I'm just expending energy unhealthily."
That, and that so perfectly aligns with what came to me when I was talking about the language of opting out of struggle, right?
Like, what if there was something different? What if there was another way than just buying into this myth? And to that point, you give us these three kind of steps to opt out.
I'm just gonna call it opt out of shame, and you talk about three ways of doing that.
In the experience of Blackness, there's so much of what we do and struggle that is about getting understood.
And then while we're fighting to be understood, we then deny other people the understanding, right?
'Cause then we're in fights with, you know, we're on Twitter beefs with people.
... being like, "I'ma tell you today." I, but really, it's like, "I want you to see me and understand, and I'm just expending energy unhealthily."
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