Greg Enas and Don Palmer on Citizen 7 and Men's Friendship on Innovate or Evaporate

So one thing I, we were talking just a little bit before we got started today is, um, I feel like in the last couple of years, uh, I've had more and more of a front row seat to like just pain that people feel in general.

Right.

And, um, And maybe that's probably always existed, but maybe it's more prevalent today because people speak more openly with one another.

Some do, some don't.

Maybe there's a spotlight put on it because of just social media is just running rampant, right? And...

You know, if I look at my own cell phone usage, I think I'm on my phone like four hours a day, basically.

Now, some of that hopefully is just phone calls doing business and things, right? I'm not sitting there scrolling social media for four hours.

But like, how do you think about that? So you met back in the 80s.

And we think so.

Let's think about these last kind of four decades and how people used to engage with one another, how that shifted since the smartphone came out.

Do you think people are in more pain today than they used to be four decades ago or even 100 years ago? Or do you think it's just more visible with the advancement of technology?

Well, certainly technology has exacerbated the pain.

I think the underlying root causes are the same.

We're human beings.

The pain of alienation, of separation, of loss, of tragedy.

But the technology has changed to a point where there's a lot more and different self-medication going on for

that

pain.

And in particular, social media and being an influencer or trying to get your name out there and your picture out there.

That's self-medication.

You know, I want to be somebody.

Everyone was made to be somebody, and we're resorting to technology that has a much more addictive potential and potency to suck us in, and we miss out on the very thing we're seeking after.

Someone told me that the average family, I can't believe this statistic.

And forgive me if it, it should be close.

It may not be exact.