Nour Kharsa and Miriam Gosling Gage- Hopeful Leadership in the Cracks

I just actually, I don't even want to say anything about it.

I would just like it to just sit in this episode, actually.

Yeah,

it's

very, very powerful.

There's a lot of talk of courage, I think, in our world of leadership in the Western world.

And what you're describing is, you know, it is honestly courage, you know, what you're doing.

And like, you know, I was talking to Orla about, you know, you are choosing to do this.

you know, and I can only imagine how hard it is.

And I hadn't even thought about the turning, having to turn people away.

So yeah, thank you for explaining that so honestly and openly.

And also like explain that the small wins, you know, it is like just sometimes it is the small wins that actually keep you going, isn't it? And that connection with those people around you and You know, I think that's one of the things that hopefully, you know, this connection here can take forward is that, you know, other people outside your country also are thinking about you and we are connecting with you in some way.

You know, we cannot understand what it's like really for you, but we are connecting with you and, you know, hope that this can do some good for you as well.

Absolutely.

Absolutely that.

We have this idea with our podcast, and it goes a little bit to some of the images that we put with it, that we live in very fractured times.

It's not the first time in history that times have been fractured, but it feels as though, certainly from my perspective, we're all being pushed in increasingly opposite and oppositional directions.

And so there are cracks appearing.

metaphorically and really in between all of us in in the world but through those cracks there is light and that's what tomorrow and i try to focus on not to be naive not to be naively optimistic just to say okay where is the light coming through these cracks what does what does that look and feel like what does it look and feel like for the people working in those cracks and and And where do you see that light coming from? So essentially, where do you see hope? And hope not as a, you know, fluffy, as I say, kind of naive construct, but as something practical and actionable.

So I'm really interested in where you see hope in your work.

Okay.

As I said before, I find hope in the smallest things.

For example, a girl six months ago were crying, unable to read, and she was in her, she was like 12 or 13 and now she is reading aloud a mother who walks and exhausted and walks out filled with hope the hope i hold on unto is that we are growing growing we are registered now we are reaching more people every year every child we manage to help and every family and every woman is proof that even in the in the cracks something can still grow that's the hope it's not abstract it is 150 children and maybe hundreds of families we have reached so far.

I mean, I agree with you entirely that it is in those, you know, seemingly very impossible situations sometimes that the very simplest acts are just so powerful and so meaningful, aren't they? And Miriam, sort of the same question really, you know, reflecting either on this conversation or in your own work, either picking up that theme of where the light shines through the cracks or perhaps Extending that to say, you know, how do you see that people can go beyond the status quo and how can that enable this kind of light through the cracks idea that we're pursuing here?

Thank you.