EP 01 with Traver Boehm

Most people tell the story.

Everyone already knows.

What interests me is the story underneath.

I'm Brie Sager and this is Beneath the Story.

I'm here with Trevor Bohm today, and we are talking about technical difficulties.

No, that's not really what the podcast is about, but that is what we are.

We're talking about AI and technical advancement and where that's good and where that's bad.

But, Traver, you are best well-known, let's say, in the recent 10 years or so.

You've published three books.

You spent 77 days total in the dark, which I'm sure a lot of people listening don't even know what that is.

So we want to talk about that.

Sure.

Ed, you essentially completely changed your life over the last 10 years from what it was.

You're here today, as we know you, I know you as someone only for a couple of years now, someone who leads men in a very unique way, I would say, in my opinion.

perception.

A lot of groundedness, safety, wisdom, fearlessness, edginess too.

Like you're not scared to get in there.

And at the same time, there's this really, I think, a very deep respect for each person too.

So you have this uncivilized movement, which is really amazing.

And you have other things that you created since your last dark retreat, which was last summer, I think, when I saw you nearly a year ago.

So there's a lot here to get into, and I'm so excited to have you here.

So thank you so much for being here.

But I want to start first.

There's sort of two, in my opinion, two versions of you, if that's fair to say.

Sure.

you before you turned 40 and there's you in the last decade now now 50 years old and the constant thread that i see in your writing and your website and what you bring to the world it's this freedom and sovereignty but underneath of that i'm just like trevor is fearless like He's fearless.

And I know that probably means you've stepped through many fears and you face your fears and you're not actually fearless.

You feel the fear and go through it.

But I'm really interested in how you went from your prior life and what that relationship to fear was, because it's just something that I see so clearly in you.

So how did you begin in that world of like facing your fears, being in fear? What was that like? to where you are now.