Jun 10, 2026 · 44 min · 10 segments
In this episode of *Ave Explores: Catholicism in Literature*, Katie sits down with Kaitlyn Facista and Andrew Swafford to discuss the enduring legacy of two of Christianity’s greatest storytellers, C…
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Andrew SwaffordGuest
Kaitlyn FacistaGuestWell, I love what you're both saying there, where there is this, there's a connection point, right? Like, I think Samwise Gamgee is so lovable.
Like, I hope I have the friendships like that and the bravery and the willingness.
And he's much more relatable to me than some of these other grand heroic characters.
And so much content these days, and I'm calling it content on purpose because...
And most of us are consuming like sitcoms are getting shorter and shorter and shorter every year because short form content is much more watchable for people who are streaming it after the fact.
And most sitcoms these days are like 22 to 23 because of commercials and because of like optimizing to watch on a phone.
And we know like how much a battery pack dies on a tiny screen, like all this dumb stuff.
But then also inside of content and storytelling, this blurry line, the anti-hero.
I also didn't need to know the backstory of the bad guy in that entire franchise.
They don't watch The Little Mermaid and ask, why is Ursula so mean? They can figure it out pretty quickly.
Well, I love what you're both saying there, where there is this, there's a connection point, right? Like, I think Samwise Gamgee is so lovable.
Like, I hope I have the friendships like that and the bravery and the willingness.
And he's much more relatable to me than some of these other grand heroic characters.
And so much content these days, and I'm calling it content on purpose because...
And most of us are consuming like sitcoms are getting shorter and shorter and shorter every year because short form content is much more watchable for people who are streaming it after the fact.
And most sitcoms these days are like 22 to 23 because of commercials and because of like optimizing to watch on a phone.
And we know like how much a battery pack dies on a tiny screen, like all this dumb stuff.
But then also inside of content and storytelling, this blurry line, the anti-hero.
I also didn't need to know the backstory of the bad guy in that entire franchise.
They don't watch The Little Mermaid and ask, why is Ursula so mean? They can figure it out pretty quickly.
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