127 - five years! or, on complicated words

So what are we talking about then, Karen? Because it's five years.

We're into it.

And we've learned a lot along the way about how we show up for ourselves, how we show up for other people, how we as artists actually

work.

One thing I think that's really apparent to me, even after all this time, is that everything we experience is not new.

Other people are experiencing it too.

It's not unique, is what I mean.

Yeah, and I think that's probably why, you know, our listenership has gone up.

Is listenership a word? I don't know.

Because we are ordinary working artists who are just sharing experience and I think relatable from the point of view of falling into people's studios and chatting along with them.

And I think that's probably why the people who listen to us listen, because we are just... ordinary we're just us yeah we're not celebrities celebrity artists and all that nonsense in fact getting your lane johnny depp um we are literally just plodding along learning as we go when i say plodding along that makes it sound really boring but we are just kind of keeping going we just keep going and good things happen when you just keep going We have along the way, though,

sort of planned.

We have, you know, it's not as if we just, it's not that just we wake up each day and we go into the studio and think, oh, well, just keep going.

Yeah, we

have been quite focused.

We've thought about what we want out of our lives.

We've thought about what we enjoy doing.

We've come up with a plan that we're putting

into action.

Yeah, actually, I do make it sound like we just rocked up and here we are.

But we did have, we both have five year plan.

We both had broke that down into four, three, two, one.

And we've made them happen.

So your five-year plan, I think, was to increase, from memory this is, was to increase your art circulation, selling, whatever you want to phrase it as.

But also, you've always had your eye on workshops and memberships.