Jul 17, 2026 · 1 hr 4 min · 11 segments
Today I'm joined by filmmakers Jesse Males and Koji Sumalde, the creative duo behind some of the most cinematic storytelling in fly fishing today. Together, they've built a reputation for capturing…
Jesse MalesGuestApril VokeyHostKoji SamaldeGuestLet's talk a little bit about the standards in the fly fishing industry especially when it comes to camera work because there was a time when there were only a handful of videographers, and now obviously there are so many and, and the amount of people who think that they're professionals because they've got expensive camera equipment.
I think what really worries me or has really, I guess the big lesson I've learned in working with the two of you guys is just how much or how often we have come to expect that a single camera person can do everything.
We expect them to be able to take the video, do the editing, d- take the photos, and it's just not realistic.
Um, can we talk a little bit about that? I think a lot of people who go to these film festivals or the tours, they don't realize just what goes on behind the scenes, um, and how much of a struggle it is by yourself.
I mean, really what I want you to do is just kinda like take the veil off of behind the scenes.
What, what, what do we need to know as people who are watching, um, creators and expecting the world from them?
I mean, I'll tackle this first since I, you know, the first few films I made were, like solo projects, and I did shoot and edit all of them.
Like, the, the one we did in Guyana together, you know, I was the only guy [laughs] there doing photo and video, and then got home and was doing the editing and, you know, so I, I've got a lot of experience doing it that way.
I, and now, like with Koji and, um, some of our other buddies, like we've, we've got a lot of experience now doing things as a team.
I mean, I think the, the uneducated persons just going there to be entertained, like they're not really maybe gonna pick up on some of the production things that happened behind the scenes, but you know, or to realize that in the, in the sequence, you know, in our film in BC whe- when Adrian catches that big fish, like clearly there's two camera guys filming that sequence, and um-
Let's talk a little bit about the standards in the fly fishing industry especially when it comes to camera work because there was a time when there were only a handful of videographers, and now obviously there are so many and, and the amount of people who think that they're professionals because they've got expensive camera equipment.
I think what really worries me or has really, I guess the big lesson I've learned in working with the two of you guys is just how much or how often we have come to expect that a single camera person can do everything.
We expect them to be able to take the video, do the editing, d- take the photos, and it's just not realistic.
Um, can we talk a little bit about that? I think a lot of people who go to these film festivals or the tours, they don't realize just what goes on behind the scenes, um, and how much of a struggle it is by yourself.
I mean, really what I want you to do is just kinda like take the veil off of behind the scenes.
What, what, what do we need to know as people who are watching, um, creators and expecting the world from them?
I mean, I'll tackle this first since I, you know, the first few films I made were, like solo projects, and I did shoot and edit all of them.
Like, the, the one we did in Guyana together, you know, I was the only guy [laughs] there doing photo and video, and then got home and was doing the editing and, you know, so I, I've got a lot of experience doing it that way.
I, and now, like with Koji and, um, some of our other buddies, like we've, we've got a lot of experience now doing things as a team.
I mean, I think the, the uneducated persons just going there to be entertained, like they're not really maybe gonna pick up on some of the production things that happened behind the scenes, but you know, or to realize that in the, in the sequence, you know, in our film in BC whe- when Adrian catches that big fish, like clearly there's two camera guys filming that sequence, and um-
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