May 5, 2026 · 1 hr 11 min · 25 segments
Ben Sippola — also known as Benny-Sip—is a New Zealand-based writer whose work is rooted in rivers, fly fishing, and the spaces in between. A former professional footballer turned coach, he’s now the…
That's interesting.
I, and I wanted to just kind of interject there a little bit because I, I think part of the reason why something can become tedious or, or like a job, I mean, they're all jobs, but I think when you have the elements of people, you know, interaction, and competition, that could suck the life out of you.
Like, if, if I didn't have to deal...
Well, this sounds horrible, but even when I was guiding, if I didn't have to deal with people or pressure, it would've felt a whole lot less like a job.
So I, I don't know if it makes you hate fishing, but it can-
... make you hate maybe those, those elements.
Maybe it's the same with football, but I don't know-
...
if you can take either of those things out of football.
Um, a lot of professional footballers will get to the point where they hate football, and the way that I kinda like...
And I'll, and I mentor a lot of like young athletes, and I'll say like things are...
Like, so I remember like being a professional footballer but like hating it so much I couldn't look at a football.
But I kinda learned that in like, over time I learned that I actually didn't hate football, just like it's hard to hate fishing because you inherently can't hate these beautiful things, but it's the things that you associate them, that you learn to associate with them that you learn to hate.
So the politics and the people and all the BS that you have to put up with in whatever domain it is.
And I know, like I'm quite n- lucky 'cause I get to operate outside the fly fishing industry, but I've heard like, you know, the fly fishing industry even like the most you would imagine would be this beautiful place, but it's full of, you know...
Wankers.
That's interesting.
I, and I wanted to just kind of interject there a little bit because I, I think part of the reason why something can become tedious or, or like a job, I mean, they're all jobs, but I think when you have the elements of people, you know, interaction, and competition, that could suck the life out of you.
Like, if, if I didn't have to deal...
Well, this sounds horrible, but even when I was guiding, if I didn't have to deal with people or pressure, it would've felt a whole lot less like a job.
So I, I don't know if it makes you hate fishing, but it can-
... make you hate maybe those, those elements.
Maybe it's the same with football, but I don't know-
...
if you can take either of those things out of football.
Um, a lot of professional footballers will get to the point where they hate football, and the way that I kinda like...
And I'll, and I mentor a lot of like young athletes, and I'll say like things are...
Like, so I remember like being a professional footballer but like hating it so much I couldn't look at a football.
But I kinda learned that in like, over time I learned that I actually didn't hate football, just like it's hard to hate fishing because you inherently can't hate these beautiful things, but it's the things that you associate them, that you learn to associate with them that you learn to hate.
So the politics and the people and all the BS that you have to put up with in whatever domain it is.
And I know, like I'm quite n- lucky 'cause I get to operate outside the fly fishing industry, but I've heard like, you know, the fly fishing industry even like the most you would imagine would be this beautiful place, but it's full of, you know...
Wankers.
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