Jun 5, 2026 · 1 hr 52 min · 11 segments
Is AI’s biggest limitation really intelligence—or is it memory? In Episode 185 of the AIAW Podcast, Johan Thulin, Co-Founder and CTO of Aphygo, explores why the future of AI may depend less on bigger…
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own purposes or was it for some customer or what was the purpose of trying to do data augmentation at that time?

To solve the lack of data in Europe after the EU Data Act, we didn't have a single legal data set really.
But was it for some project, some company, some customer? For what purpose were you trying to find data at that time?
To have some open source data sets that you can.
Exactly.
I see.
Okay.
And that was the original purpose of FIGO to do that, right?

We are still using manual annotations, basically sweatshops that sit and annotate data.

But we started to say that, no, we could probably train models and do the annotations for us and do it in an agentic way.

And we realized that, oh, we could probably need a really good memory in our agent orchestration, in our pipeline.
own purposes or was it for some customer or what was the purpose of trying to do data augmentation at that time?

To solve the lack of data in Europe after the EU Data Act, we didn't have a single legal data set really.
But was it for some project, some company, some customer? For what purpose were you trying to find data at that time?
To have some open source data sets that you can.
Exactly.
I see.
Okay.
And that was the original purpose of FIGO to do that, right?

We are still using manual annotations, basically sweatshops that sit and annotate data.

But we started to say that, no, we could probably train models and do the annotations for us and do it in an agentic way.

And we realized that, oh, we could probably need a really good memory in our agent orchestration, in our pipeline.
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