Sep 27, 2026 · 18 min · 7 segments
Text me what you thought of the show 😊 **What does it cost an organisation to educate its shift-working workforce?** **That's an easy number to…
Roger SutherlandHost
This episode's probably a little different because I'm speaking directly to the people, you, the leader, the manager, the person that makes the decision with an organisation that are operating around the clock.

But if you are a shift worker and you're listening to this, I want you to stay with me because this conversation is absolutely about you.

Now, I spent more than 40 years working 24-7 shifts myself, and there's one thing that I keep coming back to after all those years.

It was just surprising as to how little education we are traditionally given about how to actually live around the roster.

I know that I am the person that I wish I knew when I started my shift working job.

And it's my mission, and this is why I returned to study to help you, the shift worker, with this.

Now, an organisation employs somebody into a role that requires them to work overnight.

We train them in the policies, the procedures, the control, safety, systems, compliance.

And then when we send them out to work at 2, 3, 4 o'clock in the morning when their biologists tell them they should be asleep.

But how much time do we spend teaching them about that biology? And how much do we teach them about their circadian rhythm and light? About how to prepare for the sleep after night shift? About caffeine timing? About eating overnight? About movement, recovery? What about how to transition between nights and days? Because in far too many workplaces, in fact in nearly every workplace, the answer is...

So what happens? So what happens is the people start working it out for themselves, trial and error, or they learn from their peers that are ahead of them.

This episode's probably a little different because I'm speaking directly to the people, you, the leader, the manager, the person that makes the decision with an organisation that are operating around the clock.

But if you are a shift worker and you're listening to this, I want you to stay with me because this conversation is absolutely about you.

Now, I spent more than 40 years working 24-7 shifts myself, and there's one thing that I keep coming back to after all those years.

It was just surprising as to how little education we are traditionally given about how to actually live around the roster.

I know that I am the person that I wish I knew when I started my shift working job.

And it's my mission, and this is why I returned to study to help you, the shift worker, with this.

Now, an organisation employs somebody into a role that requires them to work overnight.

We train them in the policies, the procedures, the control, safety, systems, compliance.

And then when we send them out to work at 2, 3, 4 o'clock in the morning when their biologists tell them they should be asleep.

But how much time do we spend teaching them about that biology? And how much do we teach them about their circadian rhythm and light? About how to prepare for the sleep after night shift? About caffeine timing? About eating overnight? About movement, recovery? What about how to transition between nights and days? Because in far too many workplaces, in fact in nearly every workplace, the answer is...

So what happens? So what happens is the people start working it out for themselves, trial and error, or they learn from their peers that are ahead of them.
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