Jun 4, 2026 · 1 hr 1 min · 14 segments
The lottery systems that hunters have been forced into participating in are complex and difficult to understand. The question I ask is whether we should buy into the hype or not. Here to offer a…
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JR DaveyGuestJames NashHostHere in Oregon, if you are supporting somebody's expedition, uh, whether that's hunting or fishing or whatever, by doing so much as making them food for their trip, that's legally guiding.
Um, and it, it covers so much stuff, it's absolutely crazy and it's very, very strict.
Uh, there's usually, like for us, a, I think maybe a third of our game wardens are, um, specifically there to, uh, to regulate outfitters and guides.
Um, and there's a lot of illegal guiding and a lot of illegal outfitting that goes on.
And then as you get into special use permits, if you're gonna be working on federal land or state land, it becomes even more complica- complicated.
Uh, Oregon's guiding and outfitting is all managed by the Oregon State Marine Board, um, because the coastal fishery is, is everything for our state, so they manage all the elk hunting and everything, um, even though I'm pretty sure the fish people don't know which e- end of an elk stands up first.
So if you're talking about like, like you, y- I, I imagine you wouldn't be able to tell a, a client, um, a known position of an animal even if you knew it, otherwise that would be guiding, right?
I've called, um, all the states that we help in, which is every state out west except for California, and I've talked to, you know, game wardens and try to get everything recorded, having the emails and all that, and they're always very gray on that specific thing, which is not something that we do at all, but it's something you need to ask about because it could be perceived that way and things like that.
You know, we've only been around since September and I've already had things like that thrown at me like, "Oh, you sent somebody to a specific animal." I'm like, "I sent them a pin to glass from, and there happened to be a buck below that pin.
It's a migration."And, uh, so yeah, no, it is, that, that is one that I try to avoid, but it's crazy.
I've seen a pop-up on a few different forums where they're selling, "Here's a picture of a deer, and here's $2,000 to go chase this specific buck," which is absolutely wild to me for one, that somebody would do that, and for two, somebody else would pay for that because anybody who's spent time in the woods, especially high mountains chasing mule deer, the odds of finding that buck from a pen is...
I think the o- odds that that pen is fake and that deer was never there are much higher.
Uh, it, it, it's a strange thing, and it- ultimately I feel like that is prostituting these animals more than anything else, um, and it, it gets really weird.
Here in Oregon, if you are supporting somebody's expedition, uh, whether that's hunting or fishing or whatever, by doing so much as making them food for their trip, that's legally guiding.
Um, and it, it covers so much stuff, it's absolutely crazy and it's very, very strict.
Uh, there's usually, like for us, a, I think maybe a third of our game wardens are, um, specifically there to, uh, to regulate outfitters and guides.
Um, and there's a lot of illegal guiding and a lot of illegal outfitting that goes on.
And then as you get into special use permits, if you're gonna be working on federal land or state land, it becomes even more complica- complicated.
Uh, Oregon's guiding and outfitting is all managed by the Oregon State Marine Board, um, because the coastal fishery is, is everything for our state, so they manage all the elk hunting and everything, um, even though I'm pretty sure the fish people don't know which e- end of an elk stands up first.
So if you're talking about like, like you, y- I, I imagine you wouldn't be able to tell a, a client, um, a known position of an animal even if you knew it, otherwise that would be guiding, right?
I've called, um, all the states that we help in, which is every state out west except for California, and I've talked to, you know, game wardens and try to get everything recorded, having the emails and all that, and they're always very gray on that specific thing, which is not something that we do at all, but it's something you need to ask about because it could be perceived that way and things like that.
You know, we've only been around since September and I've already had things like that thrown at me like, "Oh, you sent somebody to a specific animal." I'm like, "I sent them a pin to glass from, and there happened to be a buck below that pin.
It's a migration."And, uh, so yeah, no, it is, that, that is one that I try to avoid, but it's crazy.
I've seen a pop-up on a few different forums where they're selling, "Here's a picture of a deer, and here's $2,000 to go chase this specific buck," which is absolutely wild to me for one, that somebody would do that, and for two, somebody else would pay for that because anybody who's spent time in the woods, especially high mountains chasing mule deer, the odds of finding that buck from a pen is...
I think the o- odds that that pen is fake and that deer was never there are much higher.
Uh, it, it, it's a strange thing, and it- ultimately I feel like that is prostituting these animals more than anything else, um, and it, it gets really weird.
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