Zurich Ballet

You've got, you've got this other orchestral stuff that you do.

You've recently done, um, some stuff with the Zurich Ballet, right? You, you've done-- You, you know, you started at kind of 13 or whatever, and you've kinda gone like wild like that, and lots of the people who are listening to this will be thinking about like, "Oh, I love scratching and turntablism, but like, where does it really go?" And you've kinda gone down those roads.

The thing that's like properly on my mind is, so somebody with that trajectory and journey, where are you going now? [laughs] What, what-

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Joseph started out as a dancer.

He trained at the Royal Ballet School in London, and then went on to dance with the Royal Ballet and Zurich Ballet.

Eventually, he moved behind the scenes, and his path took him to Dubai, where he ran the Dubai Community Theatre and Arts Centre, which was the first not-for-profit cross-community creative center in the Gulf.

Today, Joseph's work brings artists into conversations about business, economics, and global politics, where the artist's imagination is essential.

I mean, you had quite a career as a dancer.

You trained at the Royal Ballet School in London.

You went on to dance professionally with Royal Ballet, Zurich Ballet.

You know, moving really into a ballet world can be, we know, so demanding, certainly physically, but also the kind of mental precision, discipline, and those demands.