Like I think, I think in many ways, like I said that,

The time preferences for our world have completely shifted, obviously the attention span, and these aren't original ideas, but I think the ability for an artist to develop a significant body of work over decades was a significant benefit and gift to those generations.

And you look at O'Keefe or Agnes Martin, I think with the prominence of the phone and that distribution method, which is amazing, also comes a lot of heightened restrictions to a lot of people's practice.

Like a lot of people are producing work which is optimized for the size of a screen.

And if you don't produce something, you don't receive the same feedback or attention or distribution for that.

And I just try to avoid these conversations entirely.

And while it's necessary and fundamental, I've never been very good at optimizing.

Like, because that is such a buzzword these days, I'd love to hear just like, what does that word mean to you in 2026? It's