Zig Jackson

And with my artwork, I do have people that influence me, but it's actually people that have done, um, similar work that I've been doing.

Um, Zig Jackson is a huge influence on my work when I was in, in Los Angeles.

Horace, um, Poolaw, who, um, did portraits back in the, like, '50s is one of my influence.

Um, I have-- I, I'm just an admirer with a lot of people that are doing work nowadays too.

[chuckles] There's so many people that I admire.

So how has your career developed? Um, you know, what were those influences like in college and post-college?

Um, well, the biggest influence I, I mentioned was Zig Jackson.

I don't know if you're familiar with his work, but he was a, he's a Native artist that did, um, kind of what I did with the Natives in the Indians in the City, where he...