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But like kind of athletic sport career, I played American football, uh, in college and kinda always joked that I, I think I probably enjoyed the strength and conditioning, the training side as much or more than I did actually playing the game.

I just, I loved being in the gym.

And so, uh, after I graduated, still got in-- still was really focused on training and things like that, and got into CrossFit, and eventually ended up opening my own gym.

So had my own CrossFit strength and conditioning.

We kinda moved more into strength and conditioning gym for about seven years.

And while I was running that gym, probably heard something on a podcast, and it kinda made me a little bit interested in breathing stuff and tried one or two practices, started reading some books, started signing up for courses, and just kinda like snowballed.

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