Zach Dorfman

So last week, within a day of each other, The Washington Post and Politico published two stories that read together say a lot about the new aggressive direction the Pentagon spy apparatus is headed.

The first, from Zach Dorfman and Warren Strobel at The Post, reports that the Pentagon is planning its own deep cover spy program.

Officers would pose as business people with no official cover and no diplomatic immunity as the covert arm of its economic warfare against China and other rivals.

The Post says it's still in the planning stage.

Welcome to a new edition of the Spy Talk podcast.

Our special guest today is Zach Dorfman, a Washington Post national security reporter who's been delving into a super secret and dangerous side of the spy business.

the folks who go abroad disguised as business people or whatnot, the so-called NOCs, that stands for non-official cover, N-O-C.

According to his recent reporting, the Pentagon wants to get into that business too.

Well, we're all in suspense waiting to see what will happen and just have to hope it doesn't go bad and enough good people stand up to stop any illegal behavior ordered by Kash Patel and his minions.

Anyway, we're going to be talking about spy stories.

um, was Zach Dorfman in a minute.

But just before we get to that, there was a spy story that's developing here with NVIDIA chief Jensen Huang, who had what looks like a girlfriend who was a Chinese spy.

Under the new initiative, U.S. operatives would go undercover as business people or other private sector personnel, without any overt U.S. government affiliation.

Zach Dorfman and Warren P. Strobel report.

French President Emmanuel Macron yesterday said that Trump was one among numerous global leaders who had made false claims about the unrest in France to advance their own political interests.

Macron said, all the people who are speaking ill of our country right now are people who don't like our country, and that leaders who echo what certain circles obviously want people to believe about what happened in France, they're campaigning at our expense.

And also, by the way, you know, all his talk about, oh, no, it was too much appeasement, too much weakness.

Well, Zach Dorfman from Yahoo News had CIA officers before the war in January or February of '22, CIA officers in charge of receiving and distributing the arms in Ukraine, told Zach Dorfman, "They're calibrating this wrong.

They're not deterring the Russians.

They're provoking them.