What were you trying to accomplish, you know,

beyond a good race result? So my first Unbound, formerly under a different name back in 2013, I went out to Emporia, Kansas, having absolutely zero idea what gravel was.

Gravel really wasn't a thing at that point.

I went out there because goo.

I work for Goo Energy.

I manage our elite athletes and have been a goo athlete for about 22 years now myself because it seemed like a new challenge, something fun.

I was doing 24-hour solo, like long endurance racing at that point, 100-mile single-speed mountain bike racing.

What does that look like? How does that continue sort of day to day growth of young riders in Emporia?

Mm-hmm.

So I've been going back as, like, a coach or a, a teacher to help, you know, arm people with knowledge and skills to navigate the Flint Hills because that place has changed my life.

Um, you know, and then I will say that, you know, I've sort of got, like, non-blood family there now because of my years-

Mm-hmm.

And so, like, I will continue to go back to this event, whether I'm doing the 200 or not, just because it, it pulls on my heartstrings and it, um, is, like, such a, like, a integral part of, of, like, my career.

It extended-- That event ex- essentially extended my career, you know?