Yonin Bayashi

He was of the mindset that if the singer doesn't feel they can enjoy themselves while singing a set of lyrics, then it's nothing more than a poem.

He'd actually been close with the members of the band Yonin Bayashi since high school, so his way of thinking was undoubtedly rock and roll.

The thought that doing things that other people are already doing is dull and boring and is pretty central to his character as a creator.

Then the interview notes, Yonin Bayashi was a famous progressive rock band, known in part due to its leader, Masahide Sakuma.

Then he finishes it up, Kagayama does.

As a bit of an aside, I've actually been asked so many times in foreign interviews what chala, heck chala, means in Japanese.