Yevgeny Primakov

And then Stalin moves and did all those Stalin things, communizing the bloc and blah, blah, blah.

And in the 90s, a similar thing happens when somebody like Primakov from Russian intelligence tells Yeltsin, wait a minute, you know, they gave you promises a carrot that one day Russia will be part of European structures.

Why are they expanding the structure without Russia?

Russia was always at the bottom of that line or at the end of the line, the list of

But among us, we know that without the military backbone, NATO is dead.

And NATO is primarily a military organization.

Sure enough, it trickled down to Russian intelligence and Primakov would put it on Yeltsin's table, read what they talk about among themselves, why they keep promising you.

I mean, they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Yes.

Fadi, also, I was just wondering, I think it was Russian foreign minister, what was his name? No, before that, who came up with Rick, he was talking about Russia, India, China, Primakov.

Evgeny Primakov, yes, yes.

But your Rick is not Russia, India, China, it's Russia, Iran, China, yes?

definitely definitely definitely uh okay russia historically has been a target of the west you can go back a thousand years to the northern crusades fine india you know what happened from the early 19th century and uh and uh till the 20th century with India.

Uh, no, I think that, uh, th- this is a great mystery, and I've, I've gone really in depth to try to understand how on earth Vladimir Putin came to power, and it's, uh, it's not easy to understand.

Some of it, some of it is, uh, maybe only, only Vladimir Putin himself knows, and maybe Yevgeny Primakov, who is now dead, uh, maybe high-level people in the KGB or, uh, uh, F- FSB, uh, know this.

But I think that he was slipped to the Westerners, uh, who were convinced that he was going to be their player.

Because we know now from Sir Richard Dearlove, who used to be the, the head of, uh, British MI6, that the MI6 had a hand in bringing Vladimir Putin to power, and that his appointment had to be approved by Henry Kissinger as well.