Yevgeny Primakov

And I had already had a dozen, 14 trips to Moscow as part of this arms control team.

And, uh, we met with the Foreign Minister, uh, Primakov, later became Prime Minister of Russia.

And Primakov was toying with Madeleine Albright.

You c- I could see it.

I was, I was a backbencher.

I start to call them the three musketeers.

The new RIC, the old Primakov triangle of the late 1990s.

Russia, India, and China.

Now Russia, Iran, and China.

Who was Henry Kissinger another mentor to? Oh, Vladimir Putin.

Who was Kissinger extremely close to? Yevgeny Primakov, and you've heard of the Primakov Doctrine, which is exactly what the multipolar world order is.

Primakov was the head of the KGB.

Primakov was, sorry, the head of the SVR or the SVU.

Mm

... which was at the time headed by Primakov, who was a Soviet spymaster and Arabist, uh, an expert, uh, in the, in the Middle East, in the Arab world.

And specifically, the institute that was specifically part, part of that cohort of institutions that was tasked with, um, creating scholarly justifications for, um, for the anti-Zionist propaganda.

So what's interesting about his dissertation is, you know, and, and this is...

All of them want to jail Patanin.

Berezovsky and Abramovich want to see Chubais behind bars, and Gusinsky, Primakov, and Luzhkov want to jail Berezovsky.

Yeah, everyone is looking to basically take down their enemies.

I'm, I'm trying to think.