Xiao-Li Meng

And I'll try to remember, not I'll try to remember, I'm taking note right now to make sure that I have that in the show notes for listeners if they want to listen to it.

And it was kind of a meta podcast episode because Xiao Li Meng, a professor at Harvard University who runs the Harvard Data Science Review and who is host of that episode.

He wanted to do an episode on how AI is transforming, how podcasts are created, how they're consumed.

And he brought in you and me to be the guests on the show.