Wong Chen

Now, we really don't know how the, um, i- respective, uh, member of Parliament use the money.

Some of them will publish, like Wong Chen, Hannah Yeoh, they will publish in their website how they use the money, but the rest, that, that is really none.

So I think there has to be some cons-- uh, ca-- uh, mandatory transparency, accountability, and, uh, audits, uh, structures embedded into the act.

Mm.

I mean, it will be appreciated by people.

Tian Chua, uh, w- uh, Rafizi Ramli, Nik Nazmi, and, um, Wong Chen have all chosen a different path, uh, through BERSEMA.

Do you think there's still room for them within PKR or, or has the movement now reached a point where there are simply different visions for reform?

I, I think in any political movement, there were moment that certain indivi- individual feel that they would like to have a different platform.

But in the meantime, uh, let's talk about the outcomes of the PKR Congress held over the weekend, because they wrapped up its two-day national congress in Malacca this weekend.

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim used h- his policy speech to announce several reforms, including the abolition of AKU, while also facing up to a party in turmoil, reeling from election losses in Johor and Negeri Sembilan, as well as grappling with the departure of longtime members like Wong Chen to the newly formed Bersama.

The president even issued a rare apology, a public apology appealing to old allies to return to the party's fold.

So what does this congress tell us about the state of PKR, and what should we expect from the party heading, uh, into the next general election?

Yes

... like Rafizi, Nik Nazmi, and then Wong Chen, who all of them are no, no, no, no longer MPs.

That's right.

Right? So that is, you know, people say, like, you know, use, uh, you know, betting terms,

Uh, Negeri coming, I release the RCI, right? [laughs] Negeri lost already.

Now I go after Ismail Sabri.

[laughs] It's all tactical, right? Uh, Wong Chen is gonna leave.

I take away his parliamentary allocation, right? Chen Chong, PJ, uh, you know, MP probably going to leave as well.