Wolf Hall

know, and it took me many years to be brave enough to do another feature film, which I did eventually for Warner Brothers.

And it took me until Wolf Hall to be brave enough to do a costume drama again, because it was such a bad experience for me.

And I felt, you know, maybe it was beyond me.

So you've raised it and you're right to raise it, but actually it was the darkest time of my career.

Sometimes it hires researchers for development processes, but it's not...

It doesn't ever... act as the production vehicle.

I mean, Wolf Hall actually was an exception.

Well, there are exceptions, but generally speaking, I developed the ideas myself.

But what is important to say, I think, is... that henry actually believed what cromwell was telling him he actually believed this plot i think

see now that's an interesting take we'll get to that one all right so let's start with a sort of a basic question we know who amberlynn is we've spoken about her many times on the show anyone who's watched or read wolf hall will have a good idea of who cromwell was who is he

Yeah, well, will they? Or will they? Yes.

Well, yeah, I mean, if you see Wolf Hall, you will get quite a sympathetic reaction.

version of Thomas Cromwell you'll come away thinking oh what a nice guy Mark Rylance is

I did I

think oh he's lovely

he's quite likable like it's it's amazing how fast when you're watching or reading this stuff like you can just shelve the atrocities that people do I was doing that in Game of Thrones oh it's so it's such a shame Jamie and Cersei didn't get together being brother and sister and having murdered thousands of people

So you want to go.

If they had done this to Wolf Hall, I would have been rioting on the street.

Okay.

So I understand when you're expecting to go into a cinema and see a very serious film about AI.

BSI loved lots of them.

I think possibly one that I really remember and was very excited to go and find was Thomas Cromwell because Wolf Hall was still very much in the news and people thinking about it and talking about it.

But as a Catholic, I've always had a very different view of Cromwell.

And I've always been quite frustrated that he gets hagiographized as this great Democrat and founder of the modern way of life and the very sort of Whig view of British history.

River Cart Ride.

And yet he was Thomas Wyatt, the sonneteer, the lovemaking sonneteer of Elizabethan England in Wolf Hall.

It's true.

Great role.

So I'm just going to say that Neil's a massive Henry VIII thepologist, so just to let you know, that's going to colour his view on things.

I've just watched Wolf Hall too many times.

Yeah, no, the guy was a mouse, so let's be honest.

Anyway, so he said, so the Pope went, no, you can't have a divorce, and he went, right, well, then we're leaving the church.