Windows 98

Cause it was right before window.

It was right around windows 98 time,

but

because I'm pretty sure windows 98 launched before, before 98.

But that being said, like, You know, we're in 2026.

I've been using computers since then.

And also, like, the biggest vulnerability comes down to the fact that there are a lot of websites out there and they're not all necessarily as diligent at patching their websites.

as well so it's not it's a combination of things right so one is the zero day vulnerability and publishing the results and then the other one is is the fact that like there's a lot of there's a lot of outdated stuff going on to i mean an example it's a bit of an offshoot example but like wasn't there an example a few years ago of the nhs getting hacked because they were using windows 98 or something and it was i think it

wasn't 98 but yeah it was something like that

yeah it was sorry i'm i'm exaggerating it was windows xp But yeah, a vulnerability in Windows XP got exploited when XP had been out of updates for several years or something.

I'll send you the money.

No, it was the late 90s and I was doing tech support for a major computer manufacturer supporting Windows 98, desktops, laptops, worked my way up to management, which made me realize that, yeah, managing people is fun, but it's not that much fun.

Yeah.

But then I got into, I worked at Siemens for 18 years and did a lot of cutting my teeth regarding my experience, everything from networking, compliance, but it's also where I discovered what my passion truly is when it comes to cybersecurity, and that's educating people, talking with folks, whether they know IT and cybersecurity or whether they're Grade school kids, high school kids, professionals, grandparents, seniors, life experienced, whatever you want to call it.

We had this one, I think it was like Cruise in USA or Cruise in California on my mom's computer, my dad's computer in the office.

And then before that, we had one that was like a rally racing one back on Windows 95 or Windows 98.

Like it was an older computer.

I mean, not back then, but like, and it was just the keyboard stuff that I was doing.

I remember we didn't know it at the time, but we actually wrote software for one of the it was a spam vendor that was doing it.

it was in windows i forget the technology where these pop-ups would come up it was like a hole in windows 98 where you could spam the os and we didn't know what we were doing we're like oh this is pretty cool and then we realized oh shit we just facilitated all these spam messages but it paid the bills yeah it was a company but we didn't i didn't really think about building a product Like it was services, professional services.

But quite honestly, it prepared me to build the product because we touched all kinds of crazy tech, not as low level crazy stuff as you, but it was, you know, different technologies, different businesses.

And we learned a lot.