Willy Shih

You do need ships, but you also need things to integrate.

And, uh, you know, one fascinating thing, there's a guy named Willy Shih at the Harvard Business School who I've been speaking to for years about in- industrial policy.

He was one of the first folks like me.

I think you have to be an immigrant who had some time in the Midwest to actually, like, care about [laughs] building stuff, but we've been talking about this for decades.