William Stern

And there's one more element in this.

I would also point to to different places in germany he was at freiburg uh hustle and some of the students and he also he got visits there and and connections from people like gunter anders and hannah arent who were married at one stage and they were personalists in one sense and they were very much associated with the critique of totalitarianism so personalism becomes a very important critique of totalitarianism and technology and also i would mention william stern who in the in his book in 1906 wrote about the person and the thing he argued that we have to distinguish between people and objects and i think this is very important because what's happening with transhumanism and that is the person is becoming a thing it's becoming an object and a final figure jeffrey sorry for going on too long is another figure who went to Breslau, where William Stern was, which is now Wrocław in Poland.

And that was Kurt Goldstein.

And Kurt Goldstein came, he would work with prisoners who had survived World War One or soldiers who suffered trauma.

But Bernard Charbonneau criticized Desjardins.

And Bernard Charbonneau was the inspiration as well for Jacques Ellul.

They were two French personalists who understood that technology... was turning to totalitarianism in the way that Gunter Anders, the son of William Stern, the great who we talked about early on, Gunter Anders was Gunter Stern, and of course his father developed child psychology.

But Charbonneau criticized Desjardins, and I think he saw that it was supportive intentionally or not, of this idea of the human as something similar.