William Osman

And then none of those creators, even though they were very popular, were no longer featured.

So William Osman kind of said, all right, fine, and took his ball and went home and created Open Sauce, which is in the Bay Area every year.

That seems to be growing year over year.

And that's essentially... taking the edu creators out of vidcon and just making their own con for them so you can go see osman and michael reeves and destin you know whoever uh the featured creators list of open source is just a who's who of edu creators who had to make their own thing And people go to that and love it.