William Dalrymple

that's sort of self-organizing, if you will, if we're looking at it from a very collectivist perspective.

And I was also thinking about There's a book that William Dalrymple put out relatively recently that talks about a similar idea.

He talked about the Golden Road was the name of the book.

And he mentioned some of these travelers, or at least a few, who traveled along these routes and went to and fro, to and from.

I will

invite everybody to read the book of British historian William Dalrymple, White Mughals.

Because when they came back they will put on turban

and

And the putrid smell means that no one opens the coffin to take a look.

He then gets back home and he's the Harry Styles or the William Dalrymple, the Anita Arnand of the early 12th century.

Everyone's talking about him.

Everyone wants to know what it was really like.

But what we did was, because of the colonialists we were in our history, we went, right, okay, well, we'll just call it Kuri.

And then, which I find incredibly irritating because it is one of the most sophisticated cuisines that's steeped in history and tradition and alchemy and trade and knowledge and It's an amazing, there's a great book by William Dalrymple called The Golden Road.

Honestly, Sam, read it.

It's part

It's so expensive to pay someone to just sort of sit there and, as you say, just get tiny bits of something through.

And in terms of there always being courtroom fascination, I was going back and looking at sort of things in history, and Willie Dalrymple's book, The Anarchy, about the East India Company, there's really interesting stuff about the trial of, like, Clive of India and Warren Hastings, who was a Bengal gov- governor.

That was in the 18th century.

Used to play rugby for Scotland.

If you haven't, then ask yourself why not? What would happen if we understood the role India played not only in commerce, but philosophy, art, food, and mathematics? How would that change not only the way that we view the ancient world, but the way that we see our world today? My name is Mohamed Hassan, and this is Deja Vu.

My guest today is one of the greatest historians of our time, author, broadcaster, and podcaster, William Dalrymple.

He is the author of The Golden Road, How Ancient India Transformed the World.

William, welcome to Deja Vu.

I'll see you then.

Goodbye from me, William Dalrymple.

And goodbye from me, Marc Morris.

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