
William Baumol
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Sep 15, 2026
Why Experts Keep Getting the Economy So Wrong
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52:43Derek ThompsonHOST
How many data centers do you have to build for 10%, um, uh, annualized growth? It's hard to build houses in parts of this country.
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52:50Derek ThompsonHOST
How many physical structures do you need for 10% annualized growth? The implications even for something like Baumol's cost disease, if you have productivity growth that is so massive in the digital economy, if the overall economy is growing at 5 to 10%, like, doesn't that imply that, like, m- movie tickets and concert tickets and, like, restaurant meals are seeing just absolutely berserk inflation because we have to increase the wages of less productive workers to keep up with the productivity of the rest of the economy? Like, you're talking about a level of societal change that I think would be, in some cases, quite wrenching and extremely unpopular.
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53:30Derek ThompsonHOST
So I tell them, like, if you want to be optimistic, like actually optimistic about this technology, you want it to add half a percent, a half a percentage point of GDP growth on an annualized basis.
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53:40Derek ThompsonHOST
That is the Goldilocks spot of America's getting richer, but the world isn't transforming so quickly that we get some kind of, you know, um, what is it called? You know, Butlerian Jihad that, that rises up against, uh, AI.
Episode 103: Maxime Desmarais-Tremblay
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20:38Maxime Desmarais-TremblayGUEST
And after World War II, he came back to university, went to graduate school at Princeton.
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20:45Maxime Desmarais-TremblayGUEST
And when he finished his PhD in 1950, he enrolled into a seminar by William Baumol at Princeton.
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20:54Maxime Desmarais-TremblayGUEST
where he would read contemporary economists.
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20:57Maxime Desmarais-TremblayGUEST
So he read apparently John Hicks' Value and Capital, Paul Samuelson's Foundations, a bit of Valhalla's Elements of Pure Economics, but also the kind of new stuff that was coming out of Princeton, John von Neumann and Oskar Morgenstern's Theory of Game.
Is Inflation About to Get Much Worse?
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14:35Patrick BoyleHOST
They are the same problem.
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14:37Patrick BoyleHOST
To understand why government deficits are expanding at such a rapid pace, we have to look back to the 1960s, when an economist named William Baumol asked a fairly simple question.
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14:50Patrick BoyleHOST
He wanted to understand why a string quartet playing Beethoven should be paid any more today than they were a hundred years earlier.
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14:59Patrick BoyleHOST
The instruments, he argued, exactly the same.
Running with Scissors: The Enterprise AI Reality
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42:50Paul MullerHOST
No, I love that.
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42:51Paul MullerHOST
Um, have you, have you heard of Baumol's cost disease?
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42:54Sol RashidiGUEST
No.
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42:54Paul MullerHOST
Not...
About Trump's Venezuela Oil Deal and Syracuse University
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57:05Andrew HeatonHOST
That's going to be a thing.
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57:06Andrew HeatonHOST
And then there's also another phenomena that occurs that's a little bit more complex to explain, but it's called Baumol's cost disease.
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57:14Andrew HeatonHOST
And it basically means that as our society gets more affluent, stuff that involves one-on-one interpersonal attention that can't be automated becomes more expensive, which means that college professors are probably going to become more expensive as time goes on.
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57:27Andrew HeatonHOST
So there's a lot of things that are going to be hitting universities all at once.
''Servindustria:' Evolving From Manufacturing to Value Services' by Alfredo Nolasco Meza, CEO, SPYRAL
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3:48Lorena RuizNARRATOR
And Baldwin showed the digital revolution made services tradable.
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3:53Lorena RuizNARRATOR
Work now travels by fiber optic, not only by container, which retires Baumol's old cost disease for precisely the industrial digital services we are talking about.
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4:04Lorena RuizNARRATOR
walk the links as you would walk the plant engineering and design from bill to print to design in mexico since every design center anchors salaries three to four times factory level and makes the investment far harder to relocate industrial digital services embedded software digital twins predictive maintenance industrial cyber security Thousands of Mexican plants must digitalize to stay competitive.
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4:34Lorena RuizNARRATOR
And whether Mexican firms or foreign integrators capture that market is being decided right now.
How to Redesign Work With AI, Jensen Huang vs Bill Gates on Robot Taxes, & the Jobs AI Won't Replace
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38:45Jacob MorganHOST
So they're different.
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38:47Jacob MorganHOST
And the really interesting here, in the nineteen sixties, there was an economist named, uh, William Baumol, and he found something interesting about a string quartet.
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38:57Jacob MorganHOST
He says it takes four musicians the same amount of time to play a Beethoven quartet today as it did in eighteen hundred.
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39:04Jacob MorganHOST
You cannot get more efficient at playing the notes.
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39:07Jacob MorganHOST
But those musicians still need wages that keep up with the rest of the economy, or they'll go do something else.
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39:14Jacob MorganHOST
So the price of live music rises relatively to everything else, forever.
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39:20Jacob MorganHOST
Baumol called this cost disease.
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39:24Jacob MorganHOST
So think about this.
AI and Messy Jobs with Luis Garicano | Markus' Academy | Ep. 164
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63:33Luis GaricanoGUEST
Let, let me just be, be a bit more precise on relational work.
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63:37Luis GaricanoGUEST
So one thing that we didn't discuss, and that has to do a lot with Jevons and, and Baumol, and that has to do a lot with this, with this slide, is, um, the expansion of the Baumol economy, the idea that Baumol economy is not your enemy, but your friend.
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63:54Luis GaricanoGUEST
So let me be precise on this.
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63:57Luis GaricanoGUEST
Um, as cognition gets automated and many of this cognitive w-work, uh, in... especially in this part, uh, starts to be too abundant, and as a result gets to zero value, um, ev-eventually it gets inelastic and eventually, um, the value, the value goes, uh...
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66:54Luis GaricanoGUEST
From making the beds, to serving you a steak, to helping you up the mountain, whatever.
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66:59Luis GaricanoGUEST
All the jobs were there.
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67:01Luis GaricanoGUEST
So as this, uh, economy, the Baumol effect, which is that all this low productivity gain work becomes a larger share of the economy, and as a result, we are actually in a sense generating all this new work, uh, for humans.
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67:21Luis GaricanoGUEST
Um, so in conclusion, I would say if you think from a macro perspective of our book, which is what we do in the last section, um, I would say from a production side, tier one automates, tier two augments.
Past Automation and Future AI | Markus' Academy | Ep. 158
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8:00Chad JonesGUEST
So the key assumption is when we automate, there's some stuff we've automated in the past, there's some, some stuff that labor's still doing.
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8:08Chad JonesGUEST
Among the things that labor is still doing, we tend to automate the tasks that have high labor costs rather than low labor costs, okay? And equivalently, we tend to automate the things that labor's bad at first rather than labor's good at, and this will be related to something called Baumol-Tobin paradox.
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8:24Chad JonesGUEST
So you'll see that assumption.
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8:26Chad JonesGUEST
Um, fortunately, I think it's testable, so we don't test it, but someone could test it.
HigherEd Series: Can AI Help Higher Education Find Its Purpose Again? With Paul LeBlanc of Southern New Hampshire University
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19:44Paul LeBlancGUEST
We don't value humanity in a sense in our workforce.
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19:47Matthew RaskoffHOST
So what about Baumol's cost disease, which says that those are exactly the jobs, because they don't have productivity gains, whose costs will always go up faster than inflation, faster than overall costs.
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20:00Matthew RaskoffHOST
And therefore, they will always become uneconomic.
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20:03Matthew RaskoffHOST
At some point, the whole economy will just be teachers and nurses, and there'll be nothing left.
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21:07Paul LeBlancGUEST
And the measure of success may not be efficiency.
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21:09Paul LeBlancGUEST
The measure of success may be quality of human life, quality of human society, right? I wrote about this in my book, Broken.
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21:17Paul LeBlancGUEST
There are scaled systems of care that have overcome Baumol's Law, but they do a very interesting thing They don't do what we usually do, which is we rethink a system, we apply technology and design everywhere we can, and then we tolerate as much human cost and engagement as we have to.
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21:38Paul LeBlancGUEST
And when I wrote Broken, I interviewed people like Xander Packard, who created Medical One.
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