No worries.

Um, yeah, I, I think, I think for me, cognitive fusion is one of the, the most useful and, and, like, relevant, uh, elements of ACT.

That's probably the thing I find myself talking about more than anything else.

I think it, it, it flows really nicely from conversations we were having earlier about relational frame theory, because I think if you take that idea of relational networks, things that are coming into our mind, we put into networks.

We do that according to RFT.

We do that via a process of kind of, um, making associations.

This goes with that.

So I'd like to hear you both talk about this cycle, cognitive fusion, experiential avoidance, some s- more specific examples that come up, people who have various cognitive impairments, emotional sequelae after brain injury.