Werner Ehrhardt

And for listeners, that stands, EST stands for Earhart Sensitivity Training.

And it was started out by Werner Erhardt, who interestingly had a very interesting...

His life is quite...

He's still alive.

I know we're going to jump around a lot because you have such a diverse and fascinating life.

One of the most interesting episodes that you went through was with Werner Erhardt, the founder of the Erhardt Seminars Training.

I know back in the 1970s, everybody in the San Francisco Bay Area knew about Werner.

Today, he's pretty much, I guess I'd have to say, a forgotten figure.

They were blown away.

So they then started using me in front of their crowds and it would be in a hotel, in different places.

My last experience with Werner Erhardt was him regressing me on video.

I've never seen the video, but it was at the St. Francis Hotel.

We started the seminar business that preceded Est in the forum and all.

Werner Erhardt was one of our better instructors at leadership dynamics and mind dynamics.

And that led me to have a base that I was confident in when I sold my people builders program to San Quentin.

and although I never charged a dime for it, It was one of the best money-making ventures I ever had because when I had a prospect or a high-level prospect or even a high-level already signed customer and wanted to impress them, I would take them to San Quentin for the night.